Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I fail to see the point in centring current Palestinian suffering at the hands of the Israeli state around the historic suffering of Jews.

So do I, but I’m not the one on pro-Hamas marches in London and elsewhere with placards stating “Netanyahu = Hitler”


Others are doing that, usually carrying Palestinian flags.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I judged that his animals remark applied to Hamas.

You judge wrong

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Just to illuminate what is happening in Gaza:

Gaza doctors: ‘We leave patients to scream for hours and hours’

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So do I, but I’m not the one on pro-Hamas marches in London and elsewhere with placards stating “Netanyahu = Hitler”

Others are doing that, usually carrying Palestinian flags.

Seems like fair political comment.

One only has to go back mere hours on any social media platform and you’ll find posts comparing both Biden and Trump to Hitler.

It might be a damning indictment of education in our schools that Hitler is the only comparator when tyrants like General Pinochet or Pol Pot might offer a more qualified condemnation without resorting to comparing everything to the Nazis.

The same is also true of Putin, who routinely gets compared with Hitler when on the basis of the evidence available comparing him with Netanyahu would be the most outrageous slur on the Russian leader.

Even Biden let the mask slip that Netanyahu is an “asshole”, so I don’t see why he should be exempt from Hitler comparisons, much as Israel shouldn’t be exempt from accusations of ethnic cleansing and/or genocide because of the Holocaust.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Seems like fair political comment

Not really. I heard of no pro-Hamas marches in London. There were pro-Palestine ones where some people who attended may support Hamas but that is clearly not the same thing. Seems like post truth political comment to me.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not really. I heard of no pro-Hamas marches in London. There were pro-Palestine ones where some people who attended may support Hamas but that is clearly not the same thing. Seems like post truth political comment to me.

I decided to ignore Pierre’s slur on the broadly peaceful demonstrations. History will judge those attendees well by comparison to many of the early posts in this thread.

My post was about those holding up the placards. Many leaders get routinely compared to Hitler on a routine basis.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not really. I heard of no pro-Hamas marches in London. There were pro-Palestine ones where some people who attended may support Hamas but that is clearly not the same thing. Seems like post truth political comment to me.

Are you blind to the obvious? All of a sudden, it was "Free Palestine". You can be 100% sure that whilst this is indeed a cause, it is also a metaphor for supporting Hamas as the high number of placards indicated.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

I decided to ignore Pierre’s slur on the broadly peaceful demonstrations. History will judge those attendees well by comparison to many of the early posts in this thread.

My post was about those holding up the placards. Many leaders get routinely compared to Hitler on a routine basis.

Fair point ...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Are you blind to the obvious? All of a sudden, it was "Free Palestine". You can be 100% sure that whilst this is indeed a cause, it is also a metaphor for supporting Hamas as the high number of placards indicated.

It may be a metaphor in your world view but for most people they are separate and distinct.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Fair point ...

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It may be a metaphor in your world view but for most people they are separate and distinct.

Nobody was demonstrating for "Free Palestine" before 07-Oct-23. No sooner had that atrocity happened, when 100,000 then 300,000 people suddenly started marching. Gradually the Hamas support placards were withdrawn in favour of Free Palestine under threat of prosecution.

Most people understand that. And you should be worries; the tail is wagging the dog and unless you open your eyes, we're sleepwalking into disaster.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not really. I heard of no pro-Hamas marches in London. There were pro-Palestine ones where some people who attended may support Hamas but that is clearly not the same thing. Seems like post truth political comment to me.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...errorists.html

https://news.met.police.uk/news/thre...protest-479439

https://news.met.police.uk/news/woma...protest-476277

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stice-Day.html

The thing is, if at every march/ protest that I went to, I was surrounded by racists, I'd probably rethink whether I want to be associated with these people.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...errorists.html

https://news.met.police.uk/news/thre...protest-479439

https://news.met.police.uk/news/woma...protest-476277

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stice-Day.html

The thing is, if at every march/ protest that I went to, I was surrounded by racists, I'd probably rethink whether I want to be associated with these people.

Four people brought to justice out of a total of how many protestors ? If you were at a protest I’m not sure you could class that as surrounded ?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Four people brought to justice out of a total of how many protestors ? If you were at a protest I’m not sure you could class that as surrounded ?

Under-policed, as you well know. See the Tugendhat mob for details.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Under-policed, as you well know. See the Tugendhat mob for details.

So no actual evidence then? Just an assumption of guilt

Pfffttt

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So no actual evidence then? Just an assumption of guilt

Pfffttt

Yeah, no evidence as usual. "Pfffttt" is a good summary

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So no actual evidence then? Just an assumption of guilt

Pfffttt

TV evidence of the racist placards and the shouting.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

TV evidence of the racist placards and the shouting.

Again pfft you know fine well you can’t extrapolate the tv broadcasts of fifty (if that) people to cover the intent/motive of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people

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