Online Safety Bill Etc

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Today is safer Internet day, more information here:

https://www.saferinternetday.org/

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I mean, it’s not but would be funny if it was

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Oh god yet another load of spazamataz

Most phones are bought for children by their parents in the first place

Social media can be blocked using controls that are supplied by providers such as Vodafone

People should learn that they don’t get everything handed to them on a plate and quelle surprise here we go again it’s about personal responsibilities the it’s always someone else’s fault/responsibility is quite frankly ridiculous

We all have a responsibility to make the internet a safer place.

Your point was brought up and it was stated that tech savvy children are able to get around blocks by using a VPN.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

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I mean, it’s not but would be funny if it was

Why would you find it amusing if a link to efforts to make the internet safer didn't work? I don't understand??

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

We all have a responsibility to make the internet a safer place.

Your point was brought up and it was stated that tech savvy children are able to get around blocks by using a VPN.

I consider myself as tech savvy. I use social media. I do a lot of things online. I just don't quite know what kids are browsing or searching these days. I mean I've never come across anything dodgy, never seen a suicide or info on social media on how to etc. I've never seen anything like child porn etc either.

Maybe I don't look for it which means I'm responsible for my own actions. I've no doubt if I wanted to look for some dark weird stuff I'm sure I'll find it quite easily and again I have no doubt on that. But it's my choice. Is it okay to have a choice? Or is it your responsibility for my actions? And I don't mean child stuff either. I'm talking about weird porn and forum that's are screwed up. There's no way to get around that there are some twisted nutjobs about to that make sites, but I ain't going to look for them.

But if I was 13-16 I'd be searching for porn. If I was parent I'd be concerned because online porn isn't real and the way round that is education not banning.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

While I'm sorry she lost a child, shes also totally lost the plot.

Hunting Knives are already restricted, that didnt exactly help did it ?

True, but that doesn't mean that efforts shouldn't be made to improve things.

The laws regarding murder don't stop countless murders taking place every year, but nobody is calling for murder to be decriminalised.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

We all have a responsibility to make the internet a safer place.

Your point was brought up and it was stated that tech savvy children are able to get around blocks by using a VPN.

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Why would you find it amusing if a link to efforts to make the internet safer didn't work? I don't understand??

So… what’s your solution to that ban VPN services ?

There’s another radical solution here…. Parents monitor what their child is doing and if the kids are breaking the rules then, wait for it they take the device off them. Crazy I know

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VPN traffic can be blocked as well

To add further there are plenty of dumb phones or smartphones with limited functionality available. The problem is parents will generally give in to their kids demands and that isn’t the responsibility of a telecoms company or Apple or Samsung

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So… what’s your solution to that ban VPN services ?

There’s another radical solution here…. Parents monitor what their child is doing and if the kids are breaking the rules then, wait for it they take the device off them. Crazy I know

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VPN traffic can be blocked as well

To add further there are plenty of dumb phones or smartphones with limited functionality available. The problem is parents will generally give in to their kids demands and that isn’t the responsibility of a telecoms company or Apple or Samsung

I disagree. It's for everyone to try and make the internet a safer place.

Having said that, it's not my or any other members of the publics role to provide solutions. That's the job of our elected representatives and Ofcom as the regulator who need to work with websites and device manufacturers as required.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I disagree. It's for everyone to try and make the internet a safer place.

Having said that, it's not my or any other members of the publics role to provide solutions. That's the job of our elected representatives and Ofcom as the regulator who need to work with websites and device manufacturers as required.

Have to disagree - as parents, we have to take some responsibility for our children, and that includes their behaviours, be it physical or on-line.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Have to disagree - as parents, we have to take some responsibility for our children, and that includes their behaviours, be it physical or on-line.

Wow, personal and parental responsibility, who'd have thought it, must say it's a bold strategy, lets see if it pays off

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Oh god yet another load of spazamataz

Most phones are bought for children by their parents in the first place

Social media can be blocked using controls that are supplied by providers such as Vodafone

People should learn that they don’t get everything handed to them on a plate and quelle surprise here we go again it’s about personal responsibilities the it’s always someone else’s fault/responsibility is quite frankly ridiculous

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

The WWW was always going to be a Pandora’s Box. It still is despite all the warnings that were shouted from the rooftops when someone decided that they would go ahead and offer it to the world.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I disagree. It's for everyone to try and make the internet a safer place.

Having said that, it's not my or any other members of the publics role to provide solutions. That's the job of our elected representatives and Ofcom as the regulator who need to work with websites and device manufacturers as required.

But as a parent it would and should be their PRIMARY responsibility to prevent or minimise harm coming to their child/children from whatever potential threat and if they can’t comprehend that then perhaps they should stick an extra rubber on and l/or stop firing out kids out of orifices that can only described as an empty headlock

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Wow, personal and parental responsibility, who'd have thought it, must say it's a bold strategy, lets see if it pays off

It’ll never catch on.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Today is safer Internet day, more information here

Another pointless day that will achive nothing other than people band around a few meaningless phrases.

"raise awareness of a safer and better internet for all"
Better than what ?
The internet is safe, its a minority of its users that are not so good.

"Together for a better internet".
What is this even supposed to mean ?
Faster ? Cheaper ? They would certainly be 'better'.
Stupid draconian restrictions ? Most definitley not better.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

But as a parent it would and should be their PRIMARY responsibility to prevent or minimise harm coming to their child/children from whatever potential threat and if they can’t comprehend that then perhaps they should stick an extra rubber on and l/or stop firing out kids out of orifices that can only described as an empty headlock

Ideally making sure that their children are safe on the internet and elsewhere should be the prime responsibility of parents, yes, but, being pragmatic, for various reasons (including those who simply can't be bothered) this doesn't happen and their children need to be safeguarded too.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Ideally making sure that their children are safe on the internet and elsewhere should be the prime responsibility of parents, yes, but, being pragmatic, for various reasons (including those who simply can't be bothered) this doesn't happen and their children need to be safeguarded too.

So as before if you can’t be arsed to care for your children, don’t have them, don’t fire them out and then expect everyone else to look after them