Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oct 7th has been forgotten.

I think you're having some kind of ghastly groundhog day. Events subsequent to 7th October have occurred and should be discussed.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's terrible, makes me wonder if this happens routinely as well

Of course it makes YOU wonder - the Israeli Army are such b'stards, no?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oct 7th has been forgotten.

Overshadowed by events since (events of their own making).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Another situation came to light today.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ga...-blog-12978800

Might be one of those hospital jobs.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oct 7th has been forgotten.

Its not a binary situation

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

Overshadowed by events since (events of their own making).

Depends were you’re planting your stake, but I take your point.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Its not a binary situation

Absolutely, I fully understand that Israel can be criticised, and should be, for some of their actions post Oct 7th.

I agree that a solution cannot be reached by military means.

That said, we should not ever lose sight of what instigated this conflict.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Depends were you’re planting your stake, but I take your point.

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Absolutely, I fully understand that Israel can be criticised, and should be, for some of their actions post Oct 7th.

I agree that a solution cannot be reached by military means.

That said, we should not ever lose sight of what instigated this conflict.

Agreed

[jfman]

I’d avoided the thread for a bit but it’s a shame it’s taken the deaths of 3 jews and a couple of Catholics for the obvious to become apparent.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’d avoided the thread for a bit but it’s a shame it’s taken the deaths of 3 jews and a couple of Catholics for the obvious to become apparent.

Not apparent to all it seems. It is interesting that the alternate approach that you & I, and others, were advocating is now starting to be discussed aloud:

Blinken steps up call for Israel to spare civilians in strongest remarks yet

Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October killed 1,200 people with around 240 others taken hostage. Since then, Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says Israel has killed more than 14,800 Palestinians in its retaliatory campaign, including about 6,000 children.

Israeli military strikes have hit hospitals and schools and rendered northern Gaza a moonscape of destruction.

The unfolding devastation has shifted the approach of President Joe Biden's administration, from unequivocal support for Israel right after the attack, to a growing emphasis on civilian protection and a focus on alleviating the desperate humanitarian conditions in Gaza.

That evolution has been propelled by anger from Arab allies, and significant dissent to Mr Biden's policies within the administration itself.

Senior officials had been previewing Mr Blinken's message for a more surgical approach when Israel focuses its offensive on southern Gaza, where more than 1.5 million Palestinians have fled to escape bombing in the north.

Originally Posted by jfman

I’d avoided the thread for a bit but it’s a shame it’s taken the deaths of 3 jews and a couple of Catholics for the obvious to become apparent.

What is this so called "obvious" ?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

What is this so called "obvious" ?

That Israel aren’t taking meaningful steps to protect civilian lives.

Shooting bare chested men waving a white t-shirt to took like a flag would, for anyone else, be an undeniable war crime. It only made the news because they were hostages.

Occam’s razor would suggest it’s more likely than not that they have shot unarmed civilians before.

Beforehand, it was easy enough - if you really wanted to - to tell yourself the IDF were taking all precautions to avoid civilian casualties and the high civilian death toll was entirely due to the difficult urban environment and Hamas’ preference for hiding amongst civilians in order to generate newsreel images favourable to their cause.

However, since they shot dead three Israeli hostages who were waving a massive white flag with Hebrew writing on it and shouting for help, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that they might be being just a little reckless.

Originally Posted by jfman

That Israel aren’t taking meaningful steps to protect civilian lives.

What would be "meaningful" steps then ?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

What would be "meaningful" steps then ?

Well they could start by not shooting dead three Israeli hostages who were waving a massive white flag with Hebrew writing on it and shouting for help.

Just a thought

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Well they could start by not shooting dead three Israeli hostages who were waving a massive white flag with Hebrew writing on it and shouting for help.

Yes, because that was clearly deliberate policy.

Actually got any sensible answers ?