Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I get it now. You are content for Israel to kill unlimited numbers of civilians in pursuit of Hamas. At least that is cleared up. I personally find this position indefensible on many levels but hey, it takes all sorts I suppose.

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Yes, this is exactly the question I have been asking. In pursuit of the terrorists, how many dead & injured civilians is "too many"? Some are content to sanction an unlimited number but most people have more humanity than that.

I think this has gone too far. The UN, led by the US, should go in and establish safe zones that are, and are seen to be, Hamas free. This would provide a clear segregation and provide a place for people to live, with provision for food, water, power & medicines while the ongoing conflict plays out.

How will Hamas be eliminated?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

How will Hamas be eliminated?

How will they be eliminated under the current trajectory, short of ethnic cleansing?

[mrmistoffelees]

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That doesn’t give the IDF cart blanche. Whilst the use of human shields doesn’t prevent a target from being attacked they’re are a myriad of considerations that need to legally be taken into consideration before doing so.

Where is the evidence to support that Israel has done this? And them saying ‘we’ve done it’ isn’t evidence

[Sephiroth]

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

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That doesn’t give the IDF cart blanche. Whilst the use of human shields doesn’t prevent a target from being attacked they’re are a myriad of considerations that need to legally be taken into consideration before doing so.

Where is the evidence to support that Israel has done this? And them saying ‘we’ve done it’ isn’t evidence

You and others rhetorically bleat about Israel's military mission and wholly dodge the question that must then arise. How else can Israel eliminate Hamas? That is the real question.

You lot are useless.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I get it now. You are content for Israel to kill unlimited numbers of civilians in pursuit of Hamas. At least that is cleared up. I personally find this position indefensible on many levels but hey, it takes all sorts I suppose.

I didn’t say that, you just did.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You and others rhetorically bleat about Israel's military mission and wholly dodge the question that must then arise. How else can Israel eliminate Hamas? That is the real question.

You lot are useless.

The real question you’ve been ignoring throughout is whether the massacre of tens of thousands of civilians, razing to the ground entire communities and the destruction of hospitals, mosques and other infrastructure is a price worth paying for a goal that’s unachievable.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

establish safe zones that are, and are seen to be, Hamas free.

Seen to be, or actually are?

[mrmistoffelees]

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You and others rhetorically bleat about Israel's military mission and wholly dodge the question that must then arise. How else can Israel eliminate Hamas? That is the real question.

You lot are useless.

Pointing out someone or a countries legal responsibilities doesn’t equate to me having to provide a the answer to the issue at hand.

I’d rather be useless yet possess a degree of empathy rather than be someone who thinks that objectives should be achieved without consideration of cost or impact

Other people thought like that eighty odd years ago, you would thought we would have learnt from it

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So, only aggression directed to Palestinians in Gaza counts ? Is that what we’re saying ?

The attack came from Gaza, Hamas is only in Gaza - it’s a legitimate question, that you haven’t answered.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The real question you’ve been ignoring throughout is whether the massacre of tens of thousands of civilians, razing to the ground entire communities and the destruction of hospitals, mosques and other infrastructure is a price worth paying for a goal that’s unachievable.

For argument's sake, let's grant you the point you are making and let's say that Israel reaches the same conclusion.

What should happen next ?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The attack came from Gaza, Hamas is only in Gaza - it’s a legitimate question, that you haven’t answered.

Israeli aggression towards Palestinians doesn’t just occur in Gaza as long as it continues in other areas then that will give Hamas et all the other crackpot nut jobs an excuse to continue.

There are elements of the israeli population who have used this latest part of the conflict to increase land grabs

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Seen to be, or actually are?

Stop trolling. It is clear what I said.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

For argument's sake, let's grant you the point you are making and let's say that Israel reaches the same conclusion.

What should happen next ?

Ongoing, persistent, strategic attacks on Hamas people and infrastructure.

This is the same Israel that hunted down the terrorists down after the Munich Olympics, and hunted down Nazis for decades. They know how to play the long game. They’re experts.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

How will Hamas be eliminated?

Without the mass slaughter of thousands of civilians.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Israeli aggression towards Palestinians doesn’t just occur in Gaza as long as it continues in other areas then that will give Hamas et all the other crackpot nut jobs an excuse to continue.

There are elements of the israeli population who have used this latest part of the conflict to increase land grabs

Then if the attack came from the West Bank you’d have a point, but it came from Gaza, which has effectively been a defacto independent Palestinian state since 2005.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Stop trolling. It is clear what I said.

Which is it then?