The Chronicles of Rishi

Originally Posted by Mr K

If there was any spare cash going maybe it should have been spent on our crumbling roads, railways, schools and hospitals, rather than a pre-election bribe. Radical I know.

There isn’t any spare cash and the NI cut is just smoke and mirrors. Whatever you save on paying less NI you will already have more than compensated the Treasury for by the reduced real-terms value of your income tax free allowance.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

There isn’t any spare cash and the NI cut is just smoke and mirrors. Whatever you save on paying less NI you will already have more than compensated the Treasury for by the reduced real-terms value of your income tax free allowance.

They are rotters aren't they?

We should still be spending more on our national infrastructure than obsessing about tax 'cuts' and getting re-elected.

The electorate need to get real too. The NHS there when you need it, schools not falling down, roads and rail that works, or 2p less in NI contributions?

You get what you pay and vote for.

[denphone]

This chart is quite something.

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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

This chart is quite something.

Attachment 30783

An excellent chart. But it is devoid of explanation.

1. Cameron: +5.7%
2. Cameron/May: +1.0 (fog of Brexit)
3. May/Johnson: +3.1% (recovery from Brexit shock)
4. Johnson/Truss: -3.1% (Covid, Ukraine, Tory shitshow)
5. Sunak: (uphill struggle).

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

An excellent chart. But it is devoid of explanation.

1. Cameron: +5.7%
2. Cameron/May: +1.0 (fog of Brexit)
3. May/Johnson: +3.1% (recovery from Brexit shock)
4. Johnson/Truss: -3.1% (Covid, Ukraine, Tory shitshow)
5. Sunak: (uphill struggle).

"You have never had it so bad" seems a apt phrase A counter point to:

You will see a state of prosperity such as we have never had in my lifetime - nor indeed in the history of this country

Harold Macmillan, British Prime Minister, 1957

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

This chart is quite something.

Attachment 30783

Why is that surprising? The Conservatives inherited a massive budget deficit, spent billions on helping people to survive Covid and helping families and businesses to cope with the energy crisis.

We’re you expecting some change from all that public spending?

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why is that surprising? The Conservatives inherited a massive budget deficit, spent billions on helping people to survive Covid and helping families and businesses to cope with the energy crisis.

We’re you expecting some change from all that public spending?

Indeed





https://www.theguardian.com/environm...0a%20%2427.7bn

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

Indeed





https://www.theguardian.com/environm...0a%20%2427.7bn

Well she gets a pass because I’ve got a seventies mindset.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The Conservatives inherited a massive budget deficit, spent billions on helping people to survive Covid and helping families and businesses to cope with the energy crisis.

We’re you expecting some change from all that public spending?

the one they barely made a dent in before 2019 but were just about to when the pandemic hit, that deficit?

You have to give them a pass on the COVID debt. It was universally supported and the consequences of not having the support in place could have been much worse. A crisis can happen and the deficit shoots up but it'll come back down again since it wasn't structural. Look at 2008 for the same thing.

The main economic failure of the Tories was the lack of growth during their tenure. They did austerity but that helped depress growth making the cuts worse and now we have the worst of all worlds: low growth, high debt and poor public services. It's a nightmare combination. We didn't take advantage of record-low interest rates to invest and drive growth either. Just a decade of stagnation and failure, even by their own goals.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

You have to give them a pass on the COVID debt. It was universally supported and the consequences of not having the support in place could have been much worse. A crisis can happen and the deficit shoots up but it'll come back down again since it wasn't structural. Look at 2008 for the same thing.

The main economic failure of the Tories was the lack of growth during their tenure. They did austerity but that helped depress growth making the cuts worse and now we have the worst of all worlds: low growth, high debt and poor public services. It's a nightmare combination. We didn't take advantage of record-low interest rates to invest and drive growth either. Just a decade of stagnation and failure, even by their own goals.

I agree with you on the Covid debt and the lack of investment. We've certainly borrowed! And we're now struggling behind most of the EU on growth except Germany which was over-dependent on Russian gas.

When we talk about austerity, it's important to note that overall government expenditure has generally risen year on year. Cuts in funding to local authorities have been tough but the savings there have more than been made up for by increased spending on pensions and health care for an ageing population.

Our problem has been that people want first class public services but the funding from taxes is insufficient despite our record percentage of tax take, due to our ageing population. Strong economic growth would help but putting up additional trade barriers with our largest trading block doesn't help here.



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Lee Anderson: I was offered ‘a lot of money’ to join Reform UK

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7...08b21b778e87d1

The Conservative Party deputy chairman, Lee Anderson, has been secretly recorded claiming that he was offered “a lot of money” to defect to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party.

Anderson, 56, made the comments at a “Lagers with Lee” meeting at Cambridge Rugby Club last month after saying: “We’re not taping this, are we?”

In the recording of the event, hosted by South Cambridgeshire Conservative Association, the Tory MP for Ashfield revealed that he had been approached to defect to Reform UK.

Anderson told activists at the gathering: “Now there is a political party that begins with an R that offered me a lot of money to join them. I say a lot of money, I mean a lot of money.”..

… But the Conservative Party revealed last night that Anderson told Simon Hart, the chief whip, in February this year that he had been offered money by Reform UK — previously known as the Brexit party and founded with support from Farage in 2018 — to defect.

Hart met the Speaker, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, to inform him that senior Tory MPs were being offered £400,000-plus “bribes” to defect to Reform UK, which the party believed may be against electoral law. The chief whip claimed the offers were based on an agreement that if MPs joined Reform UK they would be guaranteed to receive up to five years of their MP’s salary if they lost their seat after defecting. MPs’ pay increased to £86,584 in April, making five years’ salary worth about £430,000.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

An excellent chart. But it is devoid of explanation.

1. Cameron: +5.7%
2. Cameron/May: +1.0 (fog of Brexit)
3. May/Johnson: +3.1% (recovery from Brexit shock)
4. Johnson/Truss: -3.1% (Covid, Ukraine, Tory shitshow)
5. Sunak: (uphill struggle).

and see you fogot to put the - for brexit and every other country had to deal with covid and Ukraine war

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/to...legal%20system.

The Prime Minister made upgrading the Rwanda deportation deal to a formal treaty the first key stage in his plan to save the scheme, which is the cornerstone of his plan to “stop the boats” of asylum seekers crossing the Channel, after the Supreme Court ruled it unlawful.

Ministers are thought to want to deploy British officials to Rwanda to convince judges the country will process asylum claims fairly.

But a source close to talks between the two countries told i the UK Government’s demands to place British officials in the country “aren’t going to be acceptable” to the Rwandan government due to concerns about sovereignty.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/to...legal%20system.

“aren’t going to be acceptable” to the Rwandan government due to concerns about sovereignty

Oh that's good, .. priceless