Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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And how employable, at the senior level, are brief ministers? How many of the recent ones have come out with enough clout and respect to be attractive for top positions?
Cleverly? Gove and Hunt. Wallace. Sunak himself. Tugendhat and Mercer? All of those have served for some time in some position and are at least somewhat heavy hitting enough to be of interest to the private sector.
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13-11-2023, 21:36
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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And how employable, at the senior level, are brief ministers? How many of the recent ones have come out with enough clout and respect to be attractive for top positions?
Cleverly? Gove and Hunt. Wallace. Sunak himself. Tugendhat and Mercer? All of those have served for some time in some position and are at least somewhat heavy hitting enough to be of interest to the private sector.
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Gove no way. He is a serial disrupter and wouldn't last 5 mins in an environment where people wouldn't handle his jumping around and need to keep Cummings nearby.
Sunak is loaded and there is absolutely no chance the guy needs to work again. Probably why he went into politics. They would probably just head back to the US and work with hedge funds again to have something to do.
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13-11-2023, 21:39
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Aside from Education Gove has a good reputation and has served in multiple posts usually lasting quite a long time in each of them since he isn't a screw-up. He is one of the few people who's been near or in the cabinet for most of the last 13 years, I think he'll probably be ok.
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13-11-2023, 22:10
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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Aside from Education Gove has a good reputation and has served in multiple posts usually lasting quite a long time in each of them since he isn't a screw-up. He is one of the few people who's been near or in the cabinet for most of the last 13 years, I think he'll probably be ok.
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Well, that is what his machine likes people to think, anyway.
I can't think everything in Nads book is true but all of the roads in it lead to Gove, and a cabal including Cummings (who was his adviser all the time) in power and basically running the party behind the scenes.
It seems a bit far fetched, and maybe it is. But Gove is a clever guy and a slick operator, he also doesn't have the empathy or public face to be a PM in his own way. So why not just sit in a safe minor ministerial role where you can keep things ticking over whilst moving things at a bigger picture? It sort of holds weight really.
When you think about it he's held ministerial roles basically constantly since 2010 but hasn't done a lot since Education. it's like he's around the place like a bad smell because no-one can or dares to get rid of him, and because they'd rather have him in the bunker shitting than shitting into it from outside, presumably.
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14-11-2023, 17:02
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Sounds like a bit of a schoolgirl tantrum. Unfit for office obviously, but that goes for the lot of them.
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Who was it who said we would have strong and stable government. 
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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Aside from Education Gove has a good reputation and has served in multiple posts usually lasting quite a long time in each of them since he isn't a screw-up. He is one of the few people who's been near or in the cabinet for most of the last 13 years, I think he'll probably be ok.
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Good reputation? From who? You have a very, very, low bar. Worrying low ...
Isn't he the one who stabbed Johnson in the back and also promised, on video, that Brexit would never, ever, compromise environmental standards?
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Good reputation? From who? You have a very, very, low bar. Worrying low ...
Isn't he the one who stabbed Johnson in the back and also promised, on video, that Brexit would never, ever, compromise environmental standards?
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From Whitehall, it's widely reported he is a respected minister amongst civil servants. Same noises from James Cleverly who had positive noises from the Foreign Office.
Again it fits given the long time he tends to stay in roles.
This is about my personal opinion of the man but just what seems to be said of him.
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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From Whitehall, it's widely reported he is a respected minister amongst civil servants. Same noises from James Cleverly who had positive noises from the Foreign Office.
Again it fits given the long time he tends to stay in roles.
This is about my personal opinion of the man but just what seems to be said of him.
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This is for other reasons.
Though I think she's a bit of a loon, you should read Nads book and draw your own conclusions...
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15-11-2023, 11:00
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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From Whitehall, it's widely reported he is a respected minister amongst civil servants. Same noises from James Cleverly who had positive noises from the Foreign Office.
Again it fits given the long time he tends to stay in roles.
This is about my personal opinion of the man but just what seems to be said of him.
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I guess the respect you cite was due to the fact he actually turned up for work and tried to do the job in hand. However, I'd discount one Tory saying how good another Tory is as slightly biased.
Look to the real world and see the mess he made of the Education sector when he was in charge. He was almost universally loathed by the teaching profession due to his toxic changes. Look to the real world and see him promising, on camera, that leaving the EU would improve food & environmental standards yet we now have them lower than ever before.
Bottom line is that the man is a serial liar and cannot be trusted.
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Re: Cabinet reshuffle: Suella out, Cameron in
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I guess the respect you cite was due to the fact he actually turned up for work and tried to do the job in hand. However, I'd discount one Tory saying how good another Tory is as slightly biased.
Look to the real world and see the mess he made of the Education sector when he was in charge. He was almost universally loathed by the teaching profession due to his toxic changes. Look to the real world and see him promising, on camera, that leaving the EU would improve food & environmental standards yet we now have them lower than ever before.
Bottom line is that the man is a serial liar and cannot be trusted.
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I can vouch for that, half my family were teachers (most left now) and they and their colleagues all despised him. He thought he was being clever with the syllabus as he reinvented the wheel, trouble is his was square shaped. Aside from being a greased weasel who would trust a man who looks like a Botox experiment gone wrong 
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