Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Huxie]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth

To what end?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Huxie

To what end?

To further enhance the ‘Hamas couldn’t give a toss about the average Palestinian’
Narrative (which btw I’m not saying is untrue) look to potentially try and start an uprising against Hamas and overthrow them?

The propaganda war is just as important to both sides as the physical conflict.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth

I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.

As an aside, what is clear is that Twitter is more than useless in communicating breaking news in an objective sense. So many people posting with so many interpretations of what is happening. It used to be far more authoritative, now it is just Musk's clown show.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.

As an aside, what is clear is that Twitter is more than useless in communicating breaking news in an objective sense. So many people posting with so many interpretations of what is happening. It used to be far more authoritative, now it is just Musk's clown show.

Once you eliminate the impossible…..

It’s a tactic that’s been used in multiple conflicts before…. So therefore it remains unfortunately a possibility.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think this is not likely and more, it invites us to disappear into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

Agreed

It looks more likely that a heavier missile was fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and either was intercepted over the hospital area or just failed in flight and landed on the hospital. I guess more details will come out in time. However, this does not absolve Israel of culpability: these 1000's of people would not have been in that hospital if the IDF was not bombing their homes.

Of course, Hamas launch an unprovoked attack, targeting and massacring civilians, that starts this current conflict and Israel’s retaliation.

A rocket is fired from within Gaza malfunctions and blows up in Gaza, and Israel is culpable, that’s some impressive moralistic gymnastics you’re performing there. 9.9. 9.9 9.9 Bravo.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Once you eliminate the impossible…..

It’s a tactic that’s been used in multiple conflicts before…. So therefore it remains unfortunately a possibility.

It’s an error of investigative technique to persist in giving equal weight to different hypotheses regardless of their plausibility. As things stand, insisting that explanation remains on the table doesn’t clarify anything and only serves to muddy the waters. Which, no doubt, is exactly what some of Hamas’ most fervent cheerleaders want. Don’t think for a moment that their super-rapid claim of Israeli culpability last night was grounded in any sort of evidence or investigation. They will have had no idea who fired the missile, nor will they have cared. All that mattered was to make it into a PR win.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Of course, Hamas launch an unprovoked attack, targeting and massacring civilians, that starts this current conflict and Israel’s retaliation.

A rocket is fired from within Gaza malfunctions and blows up in Gaza, and Israel is culpable, that’s some impressive moralistic gymnastics you’re performing there. 9.9. 9.9 9.9 Bravo.

The hundreds of civilians were only there because of IDF bombing their homes. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The hundreds of civilians were only there because of IDF bombing their homes. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

The hundreds of civilians were only there because Hamas attacked Israel. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The hundreds of civilians were only there because Hamas attacked Israel. I understand this is a complex situation that some can find hard to grasp but actions do have consequences.

Incorrect

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Incorrect

No, it’s correct.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

There’s another option to be considered here also, apologies if it’s already been expressed

It was indeed a Hamas rocket that caused the damage, just not necessarily fired by Hamas rather fired by the iDF

Neither side are exactly bastions of the truth

Why on earth would we want to consider that flight of fancy?
You must have a serious grudge against Israel.

I hope you think of Hamas as murdering ****.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Why on earth would we want to consider that flight of fancy?
You must have a serious grudge against Israel.

I hope you think of Hamas as murdering ****.

That ‘theory’ is popular in certain corners of the Tw*ttersphere, amongst the usual suspects who are so invested in the narrative that Israel must have done this that they can’t deal with any evidence to the contrary in any way other than to make it fit the narrative.

That is, apart from those who are just ignoring any evidence from the blast site at all, for example this breathtaking piece of journalism from Al Jazeera, which lives in a universe where ‘Israel attacked the hospital’ is simply a given:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ospital-strike

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

That ‘theory’ is popular in certain corners of the Tw*ttersphere, amongst the usual suspects who are so invested in the narrative that Israel must have done this that they can’t deal with any evidence to the contrary in any way other than to make it fit the narrative.

That is, apart from those who are just ignoring any evidence from the blast site at all, for example this breathtaking piece of journalism from Al Jazeera, which lives in a universe where ‘Israel attacked the hospital’ is simply a given:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ospital-strike

How many hospitals have been attacked since the start of this war, one of the reasons nothing definitive can be concluded now is because this one was damaged in a previous strike

Originally Posted by ianch99

Incorrect

How so ?

[1andrew1]

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