Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War - Page 22

jfman · 17-10-2023, 18:41

So was the Roman Empire, and people still talk about it.

OLD BOY · 17-10-2023, 19:04

That's a point - when do we get reparations for their invasion?

jfman · 17-10-2023, 19:08

They gave us civilisation, OB. We should be grateful.

Pierre · 17-10-2023, 19:15

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There seems to be a popular trend amongst right-wingers to dismiss history and in particular the history of British colonialism as woke, so it should be ignored. It sits in their minds alongside other things they perceive as woke like the BBC, Disney, London, Greta Thunberg, 20 mph speed limits and avocados.

That's either plain laziness or a means of ignoring evidence that doesn't suit their world view.

Just what exactly does that have to do with anything.

Mr K · 17-10-2023, 19:53

Israel bombing hospitals and schools, who are the terrorists now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...-east-67119233

Never mind Rishi us popping over to give them carte blanch to do whatever. Wonder why he doesn't want to be in the country on by election day?

OLD BOY · 17-10-2023, 19:55

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Israel bombing hospitals and schools, who are the terrorists now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...-east-67119233

Never mind Rishi us popping over to give them carte blanch to do whatever. Wonder why he doesn't want to be in the country on by election day?

If they are, they have some explaining to do. How do you know it wasn’t Hamas? They do have form.

peanut · 17-10-2023, 20:24

From that link... 'Hamas calls hospital attack a war crime'

But terrorism is okay by their standard...???

jfman · 17-10-2023, 20:29

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If they are, they have some explaining to do. How do you know it wasn’t Hamas? They do have form.

Speculative nonsense. I assume they bombed all those residential apartment blocks with their own air force too?

Leaving OB’s nonsense aside and addressing everyone else it’s time for the leader of the free world to speak up.

ianch99 · 17-10-2023, 20:41

Current estimates of 500 dead at the Hospital bombing plus an earlier bombing of a school today killing a few more makes the ability of the Leaders of US, UK, etc. to stand up and say "We stand by Israel and it's right to retaliate" much more perilous.

I think this will be one of the inflexion points in this current conflict. Unlimited support for Israel will start to melt away ...

OLD BOY · 17-10-2023, 20:48

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Speculative nonsense. I assume they bombed all those residential apartment blocks with their own air force too?

Leaving OB’s nonsense aside and addressing everyone else it’s time for the leader of the free world to speak up.

You are letting your anti-Israel bias show very clearly here. There were a lot of weapons stored there, so let’s see. Hamas has incorrectly blamed Israel before. They are not averse to killing their own people as part of their show.

I will reserve judgement until we know more.

jfman · 17-10-2023, 20:48

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Current estimates of 500 dead at the Hospital bombing plus an earlier bombing of a school today killing a few more makes the ability of the Leaders of US, UK, etc. to stand up and say "We stand by Israel and it's right to retaliate" much more perilous.

I think this will be one of the inflexion points in this current conflict. Unlimited support for Israel will start to melt away ...

It’s difficult to see how anyone can possibly condone this unless they are Zionist, racist or both.

A clear and unambiguous war crime.

We all knew the one sided approach to be spineless a week ago, however we might get confirmation of just how much the UK political elite has been captured by the pro-Israel lobby.

OLD BOY · 17-10-2023, 20:49

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Current estimates of 500 dead at the Hospital bombing plus an earlier bombing of a school today killing a few more makes the ability of the Leaders of US, UK, etc. to stand up and say "We stand by Israel and it's right to retaliate" much more perilous.

I think this will be one of the inflexion points in this current conflict. Unlimited support for Israel will start to melt away ...

Well, unlimited support for Israel certainly doesn’t exist on this site!

jfman · 17-10-2023, 20:49

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You are letting your anti-Israel bias show very clearly here. There were a lot of weapons stored there, so let’s see. Hamas has incorrectly blamed Israel before. They are not averse to killing their own people as part of their show.

I will reserve judgement until we know more.

Considering you previously indicated people in Gaza deserved collective punishment merely for being born in Gaza forgive me for not caring for your judgement.

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Well, unlimited support for Israel certainly doesn’t exist on this site!

No, but despicable support does.

OLD BOY · 17-10-2023, 21:08

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Considering you previously indicated people in Gaza deserved collective punishment merely for being born in Gaza forgive me for not caring for your judgement.

Well, that’s just you misinterpreting again.

I have never said that anyone (apart from Hamas) deserved collective punishment. My point was that if the Palestinians get another vote, they should be more careful about which party to put in power. Hamas has not changed its spots since it was elected.

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No, but despicable support does.

Both the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition support Israel. It is the despicable Hamas apologists who are out of step with popular opinion. You’re one of those who is seriously out of step, not me.

jfman · 17-10-2023, 21:11

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Well, that’s just you misinterpreting again.

I have never said that anyone (apart from Hamas) deserved collective punishment. My point was that if the Palestinians get another vote, they should be more careful about which party to put in power. Hamas has not changed its spots since it was elected.

Anyone can waste 10 minutes of their life wading their way through the posts you’ve made on the subject.

They can suck on that to now via the 2006 election was a wild ride of contradictions.

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Both the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition support Israel.

Irrelevant.

Fewer citizens supported flying the Israeli flag on Government buildings than those who opposed. And that was before the war crimes got started.

You are wildly out of step with this thread, even among those who are most vocally critical of Hamas and most likely to defend Israeli actions.