03-08-2023, 15:20
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I’m currently in Turkey, when I went through passport control they couldn’t care less what colour our passports were, we have a mix.
Same for Mexico last year.
The EU is but one destination, in a very big world.
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Yet when I last checked, Turkey and Mexico are not in the EU so this is a pretty useless anecdote for the Brexit thread 
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03-08-2023, 15:47
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Yet when I last checked, Turkey and Mexico are not in the EU so this is a pretty useless anecdote for the Brexit thread |
Naughty Pierre.
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03-08-2023, 16:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I’m currently in Turkey, when I went through passport control they couldn’t care less what colour our passports were, we have a mix.
Same for Mexico last year.
The EU is but one destination, in a very big world.
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The EU is where most Brits travel to and holiday in. I'm in Bilbao, Spain. EEA nationals breezed through the e-gates, UK nationals had to queue up for manual inspection and stamping.
Anyway, happy holidays one and all.
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03-08-2023, 19:38
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The EU is where most Brits travel to and holiday in. I'm in Bilbao, Spain. EEA nationals breezed through the e-gates, UK nationals had to queue up for manual inspection and stamping.
Anyway, happy holidays one and all.
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Very nice! Hope you are "Basquing" in the sun where you are  Don't tell anyone about the queues, they really don't exist do they? Wait until ETIAS & EES come along, that is when the real complaining will start.
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03-08-2023, 20:01
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The EU is where most Brits travel to and holiday in. I'm in Bilbao, Spain. EEA nationals breezed through the e-gates, UK nationals had to queue up for manual inspection and stamping.
Anyway, happy holidays one and all.
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Strange, I was in Bilbao last November and suffered no such problems prohibition must be a seasonal thing.
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Yet when I last checked, Turkey and Mexico are not in the EU so this is a pretty useless anecdote for the Brexit thread |
They’re not, but if you view the EU as one homogeneous bloc, then it is only one destination out of hundreds. Preferential passport queues at certain airports in the EU, are in my experience, haphazard and certainly not a hill to die on.
I travel a lot, in and out of Europe, I’ve never faced a delay due to my passport. I accept that is subjective and anecdotal, but it is my experience.
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03-08-2023, 20:16
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Re: Britain outside the EU
The big question to ask is are we better off now than when we were in the European Union.
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03-08-2023, 20:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Very nice! Hope you are "Basquing" in the sun where you are Don't tell anyone about the queues, they really don't exist do they? Wait until ETIAS & EES come along, that is when the real complaining will start. |
…. AndSpain will suffer for it, I reckon.
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03-08-2023, 20:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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…. AndSpain will suffer for it, I reckon.
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Or not
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...iest-airports/
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Under the new rules, citizens of the United Kingdom will now be permitted to use the EU e-gates at some airports in Spain that have seen mass delays due to staff shortages.
The Spanish airports that will implement the new passport rules for UK citizens include Alicante, Barcelona, Bilbao, Girona, Gran Canaria, Ibiza, Madrid, Lanzarote, Malaga, Menorca, Mallorca, Valencia, Sevilla, Fuerteventura, and Tenerife Sur.
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03-08-2023, 20:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The big question to ask is are we better off now than when we were in the European Union.
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Define “better off”
Give examples, and comparisons, bearing in mind the answer can be wholly subjective, thereby rendering your evidence useless.
Good luck!
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04-08-2023, 10:21
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I think the argument can be summarised thus:
Pro-Brexit : We are better of as evidenced by ... but we are being hampered by "Remoaners" who are ....
Pro-EU : We are worse of as evidenced by ... and it's made worse by "Xenophobes" who are ....
There you go, clear as .....!
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04-08-2023, 12:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Most people would use the term "better off" to apply to their personal wealth and experience. There is no subjective dimension to this. Objectively, using the above definition we are not better off. The only discussion is the amount we are poorer and how/when this is mitigated.
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04-08-2023, 15:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Most people would use the term "better off" to apply to their personal wealth and experience. There is no subjective dimension to this. Objectively, using the above definition we are not better off. The only discussion is the amount we are poorer and how/when this is mitigated.
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If it applies to their “personal” circumstances, then it is wholly “subjective”
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04-08-2023, 15:51
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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If it applies to their “personal” circumstances, then it is wholly “subjective”
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The price I pay for my food has only increased "subjectively" since we left the EU.
When I queue for hours at Dover Ferry Port, I am only queuing "subjectively".
The fruit not on the supermarket shelves due to lack of farm labour, is only not there "subjectively".
And so on ...
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04-08-2023, 16:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The price I pay for my food has only increased "subjectively" since we left the EU.
When I queue for hours at Dover Ferry Port, I am only queuing "subjectively".
The fruit not on the supermarket shelves due to lack of farm labour, is only not there "subjectively".
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How it affects you is subjective.
I didn’t notice how much the price of the food items affected me, as the food items I bought weren’t affected.
I didn’t queue at Dover, went from Hull, no problems at all.
The fruit in supermarkets due to producers planning accordingly is also ………….there …..objectively as they planned ahead.
And so on
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04-08-2023, 16:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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How it affects you is subjective.
I didn’t notice how much the price of the food items affected me, as the food items I bought weren’t affected.
I didn’t queue at Dover, went from Hull, no problems at all.
The fruit in supermarkets due to producers planning accordingly is also ………….there …..objectively as they planned ahead.
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The question was are "we" better off .. jeez. If you want to deny reality then I can't stop you. Seems a common theme for some in this day and age: "This is my reality and I'm sticking to it"
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