The Bank of Farage

[jfman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464

The BBC helping their old pal Nige out by apologising and thus giving oxygen to the claim that his accounts were closed for political reasons and not as Coutts maintain for commercial ones.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464

The BBC helping their old pal Nige out by apologising and thus giving oxygen to the claim that his accounts were closed for political reasons and not as Coutts maintain for commercial ones.

Ah Nige will be pleased. Everyone will kiss and make friends, and never mention it again I should think

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

And there is the essence of this - given he is a proven & habitual liar, he would need to provide proof that (high street) banks other than Coutts refused his application to open an account.

Hypothetically speaking, if a high profile racist/bigot with a very public social media footprint approached a "private" bank and asked to open an account, I suspect that in most cases they would be politely turned away. With more and more accounts coming from the younger base, such a customer would pose an active deterrent to these high net worth individuals joining. Sort of obvious really ...

And there is the essence of this - given he is a proven & habitual liar, he would need to provide proof that (high street) banks other than Coutts refused his application to open an account.

Your own bias is coming through. The proven liar in this case is Coutts/Natwest. I'm reasonably sure that your liar assertion you make against Farage is from a Brexit perspective. In any case I'd like to know what "habitual" lies he has told.

Hypothetically speaking, if a high profile racist/bigot with a very public social media footprint approached a "private" bank and asked to open an account, I suspect that in most cases they would be politely turned away. With more and more accounts coming from the younger base, such a customer would pose an active deterrent to these high net worth individuals joining. Sort of obvious really ...

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There's no doubt that the reader of your words would infer that you're trying to describe Farage. Can you give unambiguous instances of Farage's racism?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464
The BBC helping their old pal Nige out by apologising and thus giving oxygen to the claim that his accounts were closed for political reasons and not as Coutts maintain for commercial ones.

Brexit Broadcasting Corporation pandering to Nige, surely not!
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your own bias is coming through. The proven liar in this case is Coutts/Natwest. I'm reasonably sure that your liar assertion you make against Farage is from a Brexit perspective. In any case I'd like to know what "habitual" lies he has told.

Seb Dance believes he has lied.

Does Nigel Farage Tell Lies? Yes, Here's Five Of Them
When I held up a sign behind Nigel Farage on Wednesday it, to my shock, went viral. Less shocking was the torrent of abuse and hate that followed online. Quite a few, more understandably, asked me what Nigel Farage had done to deserve having a crudely, off the cuff note held up behind his head. For those people, here's a handy list of just five fibs Nigel Farage told that day and over the past decade.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/seb..._14591852.html

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your own bias is coming through. The proven liar in this case is Coutts/Natwest. I'm reasonably sure that your liar assertion you make against Farage is from a Brexit perspective. In any case I'd like to know what "habitual" lies he has told.


There's no doubt that the reader of your words would infer that you're trying to describe Farage. Can you give unambiguous instances of Farage's racism?

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Some of Farage's special moments from: https://gal-dem.com/a-complete-histo...olitical-sins/

• In 1981, when Nigel was appointed as a prefect at his school, an English teacher wrote to the headteacher asking him to reconsider his decision, citing his fascist views. Another said that on a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others “marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.”

• In a 2014 interview on LBC, Nige said he felt “uncomfortable” when he heard people speaking in other languages on London transport.

• The same year, he said the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration “Rivers of Blood” speech was correct.

• Nigel defended a UKIP candidate who used a racist slur against Chinese people. Referring to the incident, he said: “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?”

• In June 2016, Nigel unveiled an anti-immigrant poster that suggested that immigration was at “Breaking Point”, as part of the leave campaign. The an anti-migrant poster unveiled by Nigel Farage has been reported to the police with a complaint that it incites racial hatred and breaches UK race laws. On Thursday night Dave Prentis, of the Unison union, said he had written to the Metropolitan police about the poster, which shows a queue of mostly non-white migrants and refugees with the slogan “Breaking point: the EU has failed us all.”

Also:

In May 2014 Mr Farage was accused of a “racial slur” against Romanians after he suggested he would be concerned living next to a house of them.

“I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be,” he told LBC radio during an interview.

Asked whether he would also object to living next to German children, he said: “You know the difference.”

Sorry about the short list, only had a few moments ..

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit Broadcasting Corporation pandering to Nige, surely not!
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Seb Dance believes he has lied.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/seb..._14591852.html

Andrew, I didn't think it would be you that promoted that ridiculous link. I'll pull it apart. From the link:

1. The lies in Farage's speech this week [That was Feb-2018]

Not one lie, but several. He said that Barack Obama had enacted extreme vetting on immigration during his presidency. He didn't. Obama did review the vetting procedures applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas, unlike Trump who has ordered a ban on people from seven countries with a population of more than 130million, including tourists and business travellers.
[SEPH: Not a lie at all. Hardly even economical with the truth.

Farage also said Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain refused to take a single refugee or displaced person from Syria, when in fact there are actually 2-3million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived when the war began and are no therefore included in UNHCR statistics. The Saudi government has, since the conflict began in 2011, hosted 2.5million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians.
[SEPH: Hardly a, lie is it, particularly as the assertion is made without a time point for Farage's comment. I'll tell you what a lie is:
"I did not mislead the House".

2. Immigrants

When people try to have a sensible, grown up debate about immigration and acknowledge that immigration has been massively important in contributing not just to our society but to the health of our economy and public services - they are dismissed as 'metropolitan elites', that they don't understand. It's a dangerous lie when you start constructing so-called solutions to the problems we face day in day on lies, you end up building an entire machinery of deceit. Nigel Farage has been front and centre of these efforts and should be held to account.

[SEPH: No attributable lie has actually been alleged against Farage here. Indeed, whatever the supposed lie was meant to be, amounts to no more than some vague is ambiguous suggestion over 'metropolitan elites'.

3. The EU is unelected

In his speech, Farage accused the European Commission of being the sole arbiter of legislation in the European Union. He's got form on this, a lot of it. In reality the Commission takes it priorities from elected member state governments (the Council) and performs a role more akin to the British civil service. The third institution, the European Parliament, is made up of directly elected MEPs. Farage should know this by now, he's been one for over 10 years.

[SEPH: The Commission proposes legislation which is then passed "up" the chain, to the non-elected Council, then across to the elected parliament and back to the Commission for execution. The Commission is the arbiter when they actually do the proposing of legislation. The charge against Farage is shallow.

4. The majority of our laws are made by the EU

Farage and his ilk have been getting away with this one for too long. He claims that 70% of the laws in the UK are made by the EU. The real number is difficult to quantify, but the independent House of Commons library put it at just 13.2%.

[SEPH: The "ilk" really waters down the allegation that Farage is a liar. The BBC's Legal Correspondent says that the figure is somewhere between 13% and 60%, and explains why; essentially it depends on what is meant by "UK Law". Read the BBC article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36473105

5. The EU costs Britain £55million a day

Every time I hear this I'm immediately transported back to the referendum campaign and it makes me want to put my head through a wall. Let's be clear, the EU does not cost £55million every day. This is double the real number and does not account for the benefits we get back. And before you ask, no, £350million extra a week will not be given to the NHS when we leave. Nigel Farage and every other leading figure who backed leave distanced themselves the morning after the vote.

[SEPH: The £55 million/day claim was made by Farage in a 2016 debate with Nick Clegg. Farage said: "Our campaign to Leave the EU is based on fact. It costs £55million every single day to be a member of this European Union. Our Parliament is no longer sovereign and a majority of our laws are made for us by the EU. Our own Supreme Court can be overruled by a court in Luxembourg staffed by people who aren’t even proper judges.". As with thestupid £350m/week claim made by the official LEAVE campaign, Farage was being economical with the truth, though the the element of truth was the before discount gross amount. Hardly something over which to call him a "habitual liar".

You might not like Farage; you might not agree with his views; but calling him a "habitual liar", as Ian vitriolically does and which you seem to support, is plain wrong.


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[richard-john56]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit Broadcasting Corporation pandering to Nige, surely not!
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Seb Dance believes he has lied.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/seb..._14591852.html

Well done.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Well done.

I've just comprehensively debunked the Huff article.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I've just comprehensively debunked the Huff article.

I think some of those were pretty good.

The issues with Farage's misinformation is, is it just lots of unfortunate errors, or is there to deceive?

Here's some incorrect statements he's made:

During his show on GB News, former UKIP and Reform UK leader Nigel Farage was discussing renewable energy and claimed that during September there was a three week period when renewables accounted for between just 2% and 3% of our electricity. A reader asked us to look into whether this was true.

It isn’t.

https://fullfact.org/environment/ren...exzrzGMyujxQ-8

In his interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil, the Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage did say: “the Political Declaration, people say it’s not legally binding; actually it is. Because the Treaty, if it’s ratified, Article 184 makes absolutely clear that what is written in the Political Declaration is legally binding.”

This is not correct.

https://fullfact.org/election-2019/a...wal-agreement/

Farage: According to the ONS figures, London, Manchester and Birmingham are now all minority white cities.

This claim does not factor in people who identified as white but not white British, and so is not true for either London or Manchester. It is accurate for Birmingham, where 48.6% identified as white.

Does he lie, does he not, who cares.

Neither is a valid reason to deny someone a bank account, which is the point here ...

[ Everyone lies at some point btw ]

[Pierre]

The CEO of NatWest’s position is untenable. She has gone against (as has the CEO of Coutts) their own professional standards.


They should both resign.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The CEO of NatWest’s position is untenable. She has gone against (as has the CEO of Coutts) their own professional standards.


They should both resign.

Don't think the Coutts CEO has done anything untoward. How much more revenge does Farage want for not reaching his bank's criteria?
The NatWest CEO is on shakier ground. Commercially, you pay a private bank good money to keep your business private, not for the CEO to share with the Beeb.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The CEO of NatWest’s position is untenable. She has gone against (as has the CEO of Coutts) their own professional standards.

She has gone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66309080

NatWest boss Dame Alison Rose to step down after row over Nigel Farage account

[Mr K]

Has Nige got his account yet though? Or will he have to slum it and have a pleb account like the rest of us?

Its the most important issue for everyone in the country atm it seems.....

[jfman]

Stitched up by the BBC who in turn currently have live rolling coverage on their website.