The Chronicles of Rishi

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

Move away from the moderate centre ground of British politics to the increasingly extreme politics of the right wing is it any wonder their poll ratings are utterly desperate.

Retired homeowners with inflation linked pensions are rolling in it right now relatively isolated from the economic chaos.

Originally Posted by denphone

Move away from the moderate centre ground of British politics to the increasingly extreme politics of the right wing is it any wonder their poll ratings are utterly desperate.

The Government don't have an answer to the more systematic problems the country is facing. They can't do much about inflation, they can't turn around the economy with an easy fix and they can't do anything quick about the NHS having underfunded it for a decade. In hindsight, I think not taking advantage of historically low-interest rates to actually invest in the country and capital projects and instead choosing austerity will be seen as a massive blunder.

So instead they're focusing on culture war issues.

Their polling rates are bad because people are seeing their mortgages spike, the price of their food shop increasing each month, big waiting lists for the NHS and people dying because an ambulance can't get there in time and the Government is telling them not to worrying because they're clamping down on children identifying as a cat.

[jfman]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...abour-shortage

Oh dear, oh dear. A labour shortage.

We truly have a Government determined to drive down living standards and balance the economy by breaking the backs of hard working Brits in the process.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

Move away from the moderate centre ground of British politics to the increasingly extreme politics of the right wing is it any wonder their poll ratings are utterly desperate.

What are those politics? How do you define the "extreme right wing"? And what's beyond that?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What are those politics? How do you define the "extreme right wing"? And what's beyond that?

I would say a few of the threads you've started are definitely leaning very to the right. Might not be extremely right but what are you going to suggest when you can stop cultural change (un-whitening??) in the country.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What are those politics? How do you define the "extreme right wing"? And what's beyond that?

We all know what extreme right wing politics is. Don’t act dumb.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

We all know what extreme right wing politics is. Don’t act dumb.

Well, we don't. Group think puts the Conservative government in the "extreme right" camp. But I notice that nobody can actually define what they allege.

Where/who are the reference points?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well, we don't. Group think puts the Conservative government in the "extreme right" camp. But I notice that nobody can actually define what they allege.

Where/who are the reference points?

At risk of falling foul of that well known internet law. The obvious reference point is the Nazis. If one walks through the Topographie des Terrors in Berlin there’s an exhaustive account of how propaganda was used to divide the population, against Jews, against travellers, against homosexuals, against the disabled. Anyone not determine or be of pure blood. Divisive rhetoric to distract the population.

100 years on the groups might have changed but the MO I’d the same.

We know what the extreme right is. That’s not the question. It’s whether the shoe fits.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

At risk of falling foul of that well known internet law. The obvious reference point is the Nazis. If one walks through the Topographie des Terrors in Berlin there’s an exhaustive account of how propaganda was used to divide the population, against Jews, against travellers, against homosexuals, against the disabled. Anyone not determine or be of pure blood.

We know what the extreme right is. That’s not the question. It’s whether the shoe fits.

I think we all grasp the generalist terms for left and red: Left turns to socialist policies; right turns to capitalist policies.

So now, according to you, extreme right is where the Nazis were. But are you seriously postulating that's where the Conservatives are?

Anyway, John - you're a logical thinker who normally displays independent thought. It's those group think individuals who have swerved so far providing a definition of "extreme right" when referring to the Conservatives. What's more, they're lumping me in with that instead of addressing, in the forum, the question of multiculturalism.

[jfman]

I don't think anyone is claiming that's precisely where they are. However, given. they've parked their tanks firmly on fighting the next election on culture wars there are some parallels.

Although, given their political and economic incompetence, I will concede there's nowhere else for them to fight the next election.

Multiculturalism wasn't a problem for the decades of conservative rule that they've used migration to drive down living standards. Indeed, even on this very day, a Minister in His Majesty's Government is calling for more migration on work visas from the European Union from which our population (emphatically, so I'm told) voted to reject.

When will the Conservatives pick up that mandate from the Great British people and take us to these sunlit uplands? The high-wage, high skill economy we were all promised. Can't our own businesses show entrepreneurial spirit without them?

[Sephiroth]

Multiculturalism becomes a problem when the other cultures reach a critical mass. Before that, there are few problems.

It's fanciful to say that the Conservatives will be fighting the next election "on culture wars". There's no evidence for this. The Conservatives are a lost cause and have nothing to do with the question beyond incompetence at managing immigration.

I'm just warning that the UK must avoid what's happening in France by controlling immigration.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Multiculturalism becomes a problem when the other cultures reach a critical mass. Before that, there are few problems.

It's fanciful to say that the Conservatives will be fighting the next election "on culture wars". There's no evidence for this. The Conservatives are a lost cause and have nothing to do with the question beyond incompetence at managing immigration.

I'm just warning that the UK must avoid what's happening in France by controlling immigration.

Of course there's evidence for this. They literally stand there in front of podiums inscribed with the words "stop the boats".

Whether immigration is too high (or not) the pretence that the entire demographics of this country is changing due to those that got off boats - as opposed to permitted migration - which is hundreds of thousands above Conservative Party targets per year - is at best disingenuous and at worst dangerous.

The enforcement of law and order in this country has little to do with the problems in France. Although the 2011 London riots might demonstrate weaknesses that could be exploited.

What do you say to those hard working Brits working in those sectors George Eustice deems not worthy of a pay rise and instead we should import people to do the jobs for less?

[Sephiroth]

Suffice it to say that Rishi and his lot haven't got a grip on anything.
Anyone who calls this government "extremely right wing" or similar is just voicing blind prejudice and exhibiting minimal intelligence.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Suffice it to say that Rishi and his lot haven't got a grip on anything.
Anyone who calls this government "extremely right wing" or similar is just voicing blind prejudice and exhibiting minimal intelligence.

I wholeheartedly agree. That will remain the focus of my attention and not the small thousands of people entering the country illegally - as they always have done - there isn't anything special about the 2023 intake except they've been scapegoated by a rudderless Government.

[Pierre]

2022 - 1.2 million immigrants entered the U.K. 46K illegally via small boats. 3%.

They should be stopped but they’re not the problem.