The Chronicles of Rishi

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by denphone

Personally a two term spell on the oppostion benches might make the Conservative party actually come to their senses and realise once you go to the political extremes you are unlikely to get elected again..

Personally if Labour had an ounce of interest in doing what's best for the country they'd introduce PR to stop the worst excesses of minority Conservative governments of the last 50 ish years happening again but as they haven't, they won't, they've put themselves and party interest above the country

Originally Posted by Pierre

How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.

30p Lee and Darren Grimes have values, if Ian is the benchmark they're the skidmark

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Only in the same way a doctor that smokes too much and drinks too much, can and do advise you to cut down/ quit.

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How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.

The doctor gives take it or leave it advice to their patient. The govt lays the law down to the entire country. Bit of a difference.

As for the governmental standards they hit rock bottom and continued digging a long time ago. If you don't agree you've probably been floating in the ether too long.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

How are they "Freaks".....oh I know, they don't hold the same values and opinions as you of course. As if you're opinions and standards are some benchmark to be met.

Bless.

Today's speakers include: David Starkey, Lord Frost, Darren Grimes and Toby Young with a closing speech from Lee Anderson.

Rishi Sunak Defends Suella Braverman’s Appearance at ‘National Conservatism’ Event Alongside ‘Great Replacement’ Conspiracy Theorists and Covid Deniers

Speakers at previous events have included the Hungarian Prime Minister, and autocrat, Viktor Orban, the book-banning Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis and the far-right Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

Other speakers due to appear at the event in London next week include the right-wing commentator Douglas Murray, who has previously described the UK capital as a “foreign country” due to the large number of ethnic minority citizens living there and given credence to the far-right conspiracy theory that Britain and other majority-white Western countries are victims of a “Great Replacement” by migrant populations.

He was also accused of Islamophobia after suggesting that “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board”. At the time, Murray’s comments reportedly led to David Cameron’s government breaking off relations with him.

Other figures connected to the event have also pushed the ‘Great Replacement’ theory. One of the signatories of the organisation’s manifesto, David Azerrad, has previously suggested that Western migration policies are being deliberately used for the importation of “untold millions of peoples of different colors, creeds and cultures for decades on end”, adding that “this is what tyrants do to conquer a broken people, to pacify them.”

Also due to speak at the event is the disgraced historian David Starkey, who was widely condemned after previously saying that slavery was not genocide as “otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or in Britain.” Starkey was last week forced to deny further allegations of racism after accusing the Prime Minister himself of being “not fully grounded in our culture” due to his Hindu faith.

Other scheduled speakers include the Trump-supporting US Senator JD Vance who wants a nation-wide ban on abortion in the States. When previously asked whether any ban should include exceptions for rape and incest, he replied that "two wrongs don't make a right."

Other so-called Covid ‘skeptics’ at the event include the commentator Toby Young, who was previously criticised by the press regulator IPSO after writing a “significantly misleading” anti-lockdown column which suggested people who had recovered from the common cold could have “natural immunity” to Covid-19.

NatCon is designed to support the Conservative Nationalism (CN) movement which is based in the evangelical Christian Right. The group’s Statement of Principles includes demands for nations to be governed on the basis of “humility and gratitude before God and fear of his judgment”, while also backing immigration moratoriums and opposing what it describes as the “grave threat” of “ever more radical forms of sexual license and experimentation as an alternative to the responsibilities of family and congregational life”.

As I said, a freak show.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Bless.

Today's speakers include: David Starkey, Lord Frost, Darren Grimes and Toby Young with a closing speech from Lee Anderson.

Rishi Sunak Defends Suella Braverman’s Appearance at ‘National Conservatism’ Event Alongside ‘Great Replacement’ Conspiracy Theorists and Covid Deniers



As I said, a freak show.

Or people far more interesting than you.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Or people far more interesting than you.

I guess we know where your politics is at the moment. The good news is that the majority of the country are so far away from what this clown show of a conference represents.

Here's one of your "interesting" people:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...unches-348572/

Katharine Birbalsingh

Tory-supporting parents have been advised to take their children out of schools that are “too woke” by the UK’s ‘strictest headteacher’.

Addressing the National Conservatism Conference in London, Katharine Birbalsingh warned right-wingers that conservatives “will lose our country” in a bizarre rant.

She urged them to “stand up and be counted” as she said her staff are ostracised for not being liberal-minded.

In 2016, it was revealed that the free school “superhead” forced children to sit in detention if their parents cannot afford to pay for school lunches.

Birbalsingh issued parents with a letter threatening to punish pupils with “lunch isolation” if their lunch payments were not made on time.

Parents were told their children would be given a sandwich and a piece of fruit in place of their hot meal and separated from their friends at lunch time until the debts were paid off.

She also said people from poor backgrounds should not aim for Oxbridge – and should take “smaller steps” instead in her first speech as the Chairman of the Social Mobility Commission.

[Pierre]

In 2016, it was revealed that the free school “superhead” forced children to sit in detention if their parents cannot afford to pay for school lunches.

Birbalsingh issued parents with a letter threatening to punish pupils with “lunch isolation” if their lunch payments were not made on time.

Parents were told their children would be given a sandwich and a piece of fruit in place of their hot meal and separated from their friends at lunch time until the debts were paid off.

If you read the stories referenced (which I'm sure you didn't) you would see:

This is in regards to people that can afford school dinner not paying for them.

I pay for my kids dinners.

It's not about people that were on free school dinners.

Parents owing up to £75, if they can't pay then they should seek the assistance that is available. Why should the school pay for parents that can't be arsed?

She also said people from poor backgrounds should not aim for Oxbridge – and should take “smaller steps” instead in her first speech as the Chairman of the Social Mobility Commission.

She didn't say that that either, she said the focus of policy should not be on pushing a few kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to elitist universities or careers but to lift a whole generation of kids into improved education and good job outcomes.

Some will go to uni, but not to focus on them and leave the other kids to wallow on the council estates they need to elevated themselves from.

Seems like a good policy to me......unless you're against kids from poorer backgrounds bettering themselves?

This was what Labour was about, good paying jobs for all, with no need to attend Uni, if it wasn't for you.

Which to be to honest, after Blair, the left don't seem to care about nowadays.

[jfman]

Where else can council estate kids rub shoulders with the future generation of corrupt politicians?

We could have a budding Baroness Mone or Matt Hancock’s landlord waiting to extort the taxpayer missing out just because they grew up in poverty and missed the opportunity to mingle with the elites. Surely a social mobility commissioner would recognise the benefits of such opportunities.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

If you read the stories referenced (which I'm sure you didn't) you would see:

This is in regards to people that can afford school dinner not paying for them.

I pay for my kids dinners.

It's not about people that were on free school dinners.

Parents owing up to £75, if they can't pay then they should seek the assistance that is available. Why should the school pay for parents that can't be arsed?



She didn't say that that either, she said the focus of policy should not be on pushing a few kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to elitist universities or careers but to lift a whole generation of kids into improved education and good job outcomes.

Some will go to uni, but not to focus on them and leave the other kids to wallow on the council estates they need to elevated themselves from.

Seems like a good policy to me......unless you're against kids from poorer backgrounds bettering themselves?

This was what Labour was about, good paying jobs for all, with no need to attend Uni, if it wasn't for you.

Which to be to honest, after Blair, the left don't seem to care about nowadays.

Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.

Just watch her keynote speech at the NatC conference:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1658134915202834433

Barking mad ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.

Just watch her keynote speech at the NatC conference:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1658134915202834433

Barking mad ...

A sandwich short of a lunch box.

[ianch99]

As illustration on how far and how quickly the Tories have lurched to the right, it was only 3 years ago when:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...peech-21444877

A Tory MP who spoke at a conference alongside "some of Europe's most notorious far-right politicians" has been given a slap on the wrist from the party.

The Conservative Party has issued Daniel Kawczynski with a "formal reprimand" after he attended the National Conservatism conference in Rome alongside Hungary's far-right prime minister Viktor Orban.

A Tory spokesperson said: “Daniel Kawczynski has been formally warned that his attendance at this event was not acceptable, particularly in light of the views of some of those in attendance, which we utterly condemn."

"He is expected to hold himself to higher standards. Daniel has accepted this and apologised.”

and now the same organisation's conference in 2023 is packed with Tories.

[jfman]

In fairness with Starmer moving to the right he’s leaving the Tories nowhere to go.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

In fairness with Starmer moving to the right he’s leaving the Tories nowhere to go.

Maybe but they don't have to go full on to the right of Atilla The Hun

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Maybe but they don't have to go full on to the right of Atilla The Hun

If they scrape a hung Parliament out the next election one might argue it’s because they did. The dog whistle works, sadly.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

If they scrape a hung Parliament out the next election one might argue it’s because they did. The dog whistle works, sadly.

That didn't work out too well for them at the recent local elections though.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That didn't work out too well for them at the recent local elections though.

I agree. They think that the red meat they are selling will buy them power again but I really do think that there are enough decent people in this country to see through this. The Tories, in their current form, are watching their Rome burn while they fiddle ...