Boris misled just about everyone.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So you think it is acceptable that PM's can lie to Parliament. Strange ...

I personally think that this relates to trust. Trust in who we elect, what they say and, when in the next serious national crisis, whether we believe them do that they ask.

Exactly this. The legislative body of the United Kingdom can only act properly if the facts presented to it are correct. Acting on incorrect information is how bad laws are made.

Of course mistakes can be made which is why, by convention, members of Parliament are required to correct statements which might mislead the house as soon as possible. It seems that, at best, Boris Johnson has not done this and, at worst, hid the truth from the house.

It could be argued that his statements did not have anything to do with legislation but statements to the house should be true (as known at the time) in all cases or the house cannot work in good faith

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Ooh er: Trust! Which politician has ever been trustworthy apart from Churchill? Maggie was the next closest followed by John Redwood, of course.

Redwood of course, who said amongst other things if we leave the EU there will be more growth in the economy, food will be cheaper, power will be cheaper and there will be fewer unhelpful regulations, you know like the ones which prevented the wholesale dumping of sewage into rivers, deadwood is as full of shit as those waterways and so is the rest of the party for that matter

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Redwood of course, who said amongst other things if we leave the EU there will be more growth in the economy, food will be cheaper, power will be cheaper and there will be fewer unhelpful regulations, you know like the ones which prevented the wholesale dumping of sewage into rivers, deadwood is as full of shit as those waterways and so is the rest of the party for that matter

Rees Smugg did clarify this nonsense with a 50 year timeline to see it kick in. The sunlit uplands could be a mere handful of generations away. Hoorah

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Did I say that? No I didn't.Try actually READING what I said.

So my facts aren't right? Why don't you explain your remark then:

Actually I predict the entire nation will say so what who cares

You think that the nation i.e. you included, will say "so what who cares" implies you don't care.

Care to elaborate? I am not a mind reader

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Exactly this. The legislative body of the United Kingdom can only act properly if the facts presented to it are correct. Acting on incorrect information is how bad laws are made.

Of course mistakes can be made which is why, by convention, members of Parliament are required to correct statements which might mislead the house as soon as possible. It seems that, at best, Boris Johnson has not done this and, at worst, hid the truth from the house.

It could be argued that his statements did not have anything to do with legislation but statements to the house should be true (as known at the time) in all cases or the house cannot work in good faith

Thank you, some sanity around here

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The sanctimonious garbage you've just put out is a trifle worrying. Well not really - who cares about your beliefs in this direction?

Why are you making this so personal? Are you saying I should not express my opinion on this forum?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Why are you making this so personal? Are you saying I should not express my opinion on this forum?

Why should you be the exception

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Why should you be the exception

Explain?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Redwood of course, who said amongst other things if we leave the EU there will be more growth in the economy, food will be cheaper, power will be cheaper and there will be fewer unhelpful regulations, you know like the ones which prevented the wholesale dumping of sewage into rivers, deadwood is as full of shit as those waterways and so is the rest of the party for that matter

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

The UK will forge its own path - dips have occurred first (mainly due to Covid and now Ukraine), then rising because British business will want to thrive - despite a useless government.

I was amused by your "full of shit" remark, though in total disagreement on the Redwood element of it. The rivers are "full of shit" because of greedy water companies taking advantage of lax laws (nothing to do with Brexit).

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

The UK will forge its own path - dips have occurred first (mainly due to Covid and now Ukraine), then rising because British business will want to thrive - despite a useless government.

I was amused by your "full of shit" remark, though in total disagreement on the Redwood element of it. The rivers are "full of shit" because of greedy water companies taking advantage of lax laws (nothing to do with Brexit).

So full of shit.

‘Brexit to blame’ for UK’s sewage problems

The prime minister’s own father has said Brexit is to blame for the UK’s current sewage predicament.

Speaking on LBC, Stanley Johnson said Britain was known as the “dirty man of Europe” before joining the European Economic Community, now the EU, in 1973.

Stanley said European regulations, which he was involved in writing, had transformed the quality of bathing water around the whole of Europe”, adding the UK “really did get a cleanup”.

Pressed on the subject this morning, Feargal Sharkey confirmed the PM’s dad’s analysis, saying you have to blame the government for this “whole sorry mess”.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So full of shit.

‘Brexit to blame’ for UK’s sewage problems

We're now a Third Country to the EU. Best not get someone with an Irish accent to say that. Then again that would probably be correct as well.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Rees Smugg did clarify this nonsense with a 50 year timeline to see it kick in. The sunlit uplands could be a mere handful of generations away. Hoorah

When you're from Victorian times 50 years is nothing

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

I'm not blinded by anything other than wanting people to be held accountable for what they've said

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

When you're from Victorian times 50 years is nothing

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm not blinded by anything other than wanting people to be held accountable for what they've said

Exactly. Because someone has the gift of the gab shouldn't make them unaccountable.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You can do better than that. I beg you, don't turn into an "Ian" type anti-Brexit zealot, blinded by the fact we've left the EU.

The UK will forge its own path - dips have occurred first (mainly due to Covid and now Ukraine), then rising because British business will want to thrive - despite a useless government.

I was amused by your "full of shit" remark, though in total disagreement on the Redwood element of it. The rivers are "full of shit" because of greedy water companies taking advantage of lax laws (nothing to do with Brexit).

The rivers are full of brown cod partly because the UK is over influenced by lobbyists and MPs readily in their pockets. They can't easily be voted out due to our electoral system. We've swapped blue flags for blue passports.

The Partygate report is out, and Boris has received quite a shoeing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-65876914

[jfman]

Do we need to change the thread title because he’s been found to have deliberately misled Parliament?

(And as if by magic)

[GrimUpNorth]

And when you read his reply he's showing his true colours. Pathetic man.