Five Memphis police officers charged over death of Tyre Nichols

Given the treatment he got right from when they first pulled him over, you can see how he might have thought running for it was a viable plan. It takes quite some self discipline to lie still on the ground when you’re pretty sure someone’s about to start beating you. Turns out he was right to try to run, given that the fatal beating occurred after he was captured, restrained and posing no danger to anyone,

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

Saw it on the Sky News site earlier.

I wasnt aware until then that he actually ran off after they first stopped him, and they then chased him, and beat him up when they caught him.

Running off was probably not the best plan, but the way they acted on catching him is unforgivable, they were nothing more than thugs in uniform.

How on earth did they think they would get away with this. They need locking up, for a very long time.

There's body cam footage of the arrest before he ran off, the roughing up he received then caused him to leg it

Originally Posted by Chris

Given the treatment he got right from when they first pulled him over, you can see how he might have thought running for it was a viable plan. It takes quite some self discipline to lie still on the ground when you’re pretty sure someone’s about to start beating you. Turns out he was right to try to run, given that the fatal beating occurred after he was captured, restrained and posing no danger to anyone,

You have clearly seen more/different footage then.
What I viewed did not show anything that really warrented legging it, and almost entirely concentrated on events after they caught up with him.

Nothing he did or didn’t do warranted what actually happened. Nothing!

Originally Posted by Paul

You have clearly seen more/different footage then.
What I viewed did not show anything that really warrented legging it, and almost entirely concentrated on events after they caught up with him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...o-description/

The Washington Post has reviewed the footage in detail. Here is a description of what each video shows.

In video clip one, Nichols is pulled from his car and pushed to the ground by a group of police officers.

“I didn’t do anything!” Nichols says as officers shout at him using expletives.

As Nichols is moved to the ground, a voice, presumably Nichols, can be heard saying: “You don’t do that, okay?” and “All right, I’m on the ground.”

Nichols appears calm and can be seen sitting on the ground, while officers shout commands at him: “Turn around! Right now! Get on the ground!”

“Okay, you guys are really doing a lot right now, stop,” Nichols says as multiple officers pin him to the ground and tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. “I’m just trying to go home!”

An officer warns Nichols, who is already on the ground, “Man, if you don’t lay down — ” to which Nichols responds “I am on the ground!”

The officer wearing the body camera appears to Taser Nichols, who is struggling to get away. After several seconds, Nichols gets up from the ground and sprints down the street.

He ran away after he had been pulled out of his car and pushed to the ground by police.

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...o-description/



He ran away after he had been pulled out of his car and pushed to the ground by police.

And tasered. While already on the ground. And restrained.

He ran because why wouldn’t you? He was clearly about to get brutalised and had nothing to lose by attempting escape.

[Mythica]

I see this different to everyone else.

Now before I carry on, nothing condones what happened. With hindsight, we know what happens, as it was happening, there was no reason to run because he thought he was going to be murdered or anything similar. Infact he might still be alive if he just complied in the first place of lay on the floor instead of turning around resisting the inevitable.

Just to be certain for those who will jump on me, I don't condone the end result. But you need to question why he resisted, why he ran, why he was still resisting after pepper spray.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mythica

I see this different to everyone else.

Now before I carry on, nothing condones what happened. With hindsight, we know what happens, as it was happening, there was no reason to run because he thought he was going to be murdered or anything similar. Infact he might still be alive if he just complied in the first place of lay on the floor instead of turning around resisting the inevitable.

Just to be certain for those who will jump on me, I don't condone the end result. But you need to question why he resisted, why he ran, why he was still resisting after pepper spray.

He did comply from the get go that’s been clarified multiple times from multiple
sources.

This was a group of officers drunk on their own powers who decided everyone was fair game to their methods of dispensing justice. It’s not the first time that this group have been reported for their methods.

Originally Posted by Mythica

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Just to be certain for those who will jump on me, I don't condone the end result. But you need to question why he resisted, why he ran, why he was still resisting after pepper spray.

Because in America, black men get pulled over and beaten - sometimes to death - by the police. The calculus is simple really.

I suspect you’re imagining a policing system akin to what generally happens in the UK. It’s not like that at all.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

He did comply from the get go that’s been clarified multiple times from multiple
sources.

This was a group of officers drunk on their own powers who decided everyone was fair game to their methods of dispensing justice. It’s not the first time that this group have been reported for their methods.

No he never, the order was to face the floor which was ignored by turning around and telling them he hadn't done anything as can be seen on the body worn camera.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mythica

No he never, the order was to face the floor which was ignored by turning around and telling them he hadn't done anything as can be seen on the body worn camera.

Ah well obviously deserves it then….. every single following action is justified

Go away read this & educate yourself a little

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64442019.amp

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah well obviously deserves it then….. every single following action is justified

Nonsense. Reread the post were I specifically stated I don't condone what happened.

Or watch the body footage which did show him resisting.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mythica

Nonsense. Reread the post were I specifically stated I don't condone what happened.

Or watch the body footage which did show him resisting.

No it didn’t at all, multiple lawyers have stated he complied but was disoriented that is not resisting, read the article on Bloomberg.

EVEN if he was non compliant that does not justify being tasered whilst you’re restrained on the ground never mind the brutalisation that occurred afterwards so your point is null and void

The use of both non lethal & lethal force comes with significant responsibilities, this was just a pack of animals hungry for blood

Originally Posted by Mythica

No he never, the order was to face the floor owhich was ignored by turning around and telling them he hadn't done anything as can be seen on the body worn camera.

From my previous post

The Washington Post has reviewed the footage in detail. Here is a description of what each video shows.

In video clip one, Nichols is pulled from his car and pushed to the ground by a group of police officers.

“I didn’t do anything!” Nichols says as officers shout at him using expletives.

As Nichols is moved to the ground, a voice, presumably Nichols, can be heard saying: “You don’t do that, okay?” and “All right, I’m on the ground.”

Nichols appears calm and can be seen sitting on the ground, while officers shout commands at him: “Turn around! Right now! Get on the ground!”

“Okay, you guys are really doing a lot right now, stop,” Nichols says as multiple officers pin him to the ground and tell him to turn around and put his hands behind his back. “I’m just trying to go home!”

An officer warns Nichols, who is already on the ground, “Man, if you don’t lay down — ” to which Nichols responds “I am on the ground!”

The officer wearing the body camera appears to Taser Nichols, who is struggling to get away. After several seconds, Nichols gets up from the ground and sprints down the street.

Perhaps he (mistakenly, as it turns out) thought he had more chance of not being beaten to death if he ran away? Maybe he felt (by the fact the Officers’ words weren’t matching their actions) that excessive force would be utilised by the Officers?

It doesn’t matter anyway - killing someone because they ran away isn’t appropriate; we shouldn’t blame the victim for what was done to him.

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Nonsense. Reread the post were I specifically stated I don't condone what happened.

Or watch the body footage which did show him resisting.

You don’t "condone what happened" but you do intimate that perhaps he was to blame (by running away).

he might still be alive if he just complied in the first place of lay on the floor

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

No it didn’t at all, multiple lawyers have stated he complied but was disoriented that is not resisting, read the article on Bloomberg.

EVEN if he was non compliant that does not justify being tasered whilst you’re restrained on the ground never mind the brutalisation that occurred afterwards so your point is null and void

The use of both non lethal & lethal force comes with significant responsibilities, this was just a pack of animals hungry for blood

But it did, he was told to lay on the floor, he never. Regardless if he was disoriented, he still didn't comply. He was tasered while resisting and then ran off. If he was restrained, how did he then run off? It doesn't make it null and void, its a difference of opinion on how he reacted.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

From my previous post



Perhaps he (mistakenly, as it turns out) thought he had more chance of not being beaten to death if he ran away? Maybe he felt (by the fact the Officers’ words weren’t matching their actions) that excessive force would be utilised by the Officers?

It doesn’t matter anyway - killing someone because they ran away isn’t appropriate; we shouldn’t blame the victim for what was done to him.

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You don’t "condone what happened" but you do intimate that perhaps he was to blame (by running away).

But it's a fact that potentially he could be alive right now if he complied properly. That's not blaming him, that's just stating facts of life.