The Chronicles of Rishi

[Sephiroth]

JR is right. Just not the Truss way.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

JR is right. Just not the Truss way.

utter rubbish trickle down never works JR is very wrong give top 1% more money they just save it

[Ms NTL]

What is IR 35 changes?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

What is IR 35 changes?

It’s a tax wheeze for companies to pretend their “employees” are self employed. Well, the types of reforms proposed by Redwood would make that much easier.

IR35 is designed to clamp down on disguised employment, which is where a company hires a ‘freelance’ worker to work for them full time for an extended period. The ‘freelancer’ is paid a daily rate and the employer doesn’t handle any tax or NI on their behalf because they have hired a freelancer, rather than employing someone, so what they’re paying is a charge for the services of a business rather than a wage. From this daily rate the freelancer pays themselves a wage plus other business expenses. There are then multiple tax wheezes that they as a freelancer can employ to reduce their personal tax burden.

For freelancers working for multiple clients at any one time it’s quite legitimate for them to operate this way but there is a whole sector where a freelancer will be brought in to one company for maybe even years at a time and it really just becomes one massive tax dodge for both the company hiring them and for the freelancer themselves.

IR35 calls this disguised employment and taxes the freelancer as if they were an employee. This reduces the incentive for workers to seek these arrangements.

[ianch99]

Sunak & co are playing a dangerous game here. The NHS is currently imploding and they are content to play the role of Nero. So many people are impacted by this and are concerned by the state of the NHS, that this will come back to bite them at the next GE.

It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024. Difficult to see what their strategy is here unless it is one to cause as much damage for the next Government to inherit.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Sunak & co are playing a dangerous game here. The NHS is currently imploding and they are content to play the role of Nero. So many people are impacted by this and are concerned by the state of the NHS, that this will come back to bite them at the next GE.

It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024. Difficult to see what their strategy is here unless it is one to cause as much damage for the next Government to inherit.

What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Remits for 2022/23
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care’s remit letter

1.21 The Secretary of State wrote to us on 30th November 2021 to commence the 2022/23 pay round. The Secretary of State noted it was vital that planned workforce growth is affordable and within the budgets set and stated their view that there is a direct trade-off between pay and staff numbers.

[Mr K]

I think Rushi's mastered this PM thing. Say and do nothing and be invisible, whilst the country disintegrates...
Working so far, for Sir K anyway....

LAB: 45% (-1)
CON: 19% (-3)
GRN: 9% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 8% (-)

via
@PeoplePolling
, 28 Dec

[Sephiroth]

What has that man given the people as PM? Zilch. He's only taking and bothering with migrants. He's got ministers for everything, they should be focusing on improving our lives particularly as regards social care because that partially fixes the NHS.

On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).

A shocking government and Labour isn't the answer and I don't know what is given the entrenchment of the current system. Proportional representation won't help either - quite the contrary.

Broken.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).

If you don't pay nurses - and other NHS staff - a competitive and decent salary they'll just leave eventually. Same with social care which often pays less. The idea of standing firm against them and not giving them a pay rise may give him a political win but why will people train if the Government boasts about not giving them low pay rises?

It's not as if nurses are loaded and greedily trying to get even more money. They need to afford housing, energy bills and food as well. They'll be forced to better-paying jobs.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Some context: https://www.theguardian.com/society/...n-more-strikes

On 16 November, Barclay wrote to the NHS pay review body, which advises ministers what size of uplift staff apart from doctors and dentists should receive, giving them their remit for the 2023-24 settlement. While it did not specify the 2% figure, the NHS Confederation hospitals body, the Health Foundation thinktank and several health unions all say that the fact that NHS England’s budget for 2023-24 has already been set means that is the sum Barclay is keen to see awarded, with a 1% contingency potentially making it a 3% rise. Either sum is likely to provoke further unrest among NHS staff.

---------- Post added at 21:38 ---------- Previous post was at 21:33 ----------

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What has that man given the people as PM? Zilch. He's only taking and bothering with migrants. He's got ministers for everything, they should be focusing on improving our lives particularly as regards social care because that partially fixes the NHS.

On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).

A shocking government and Labour isn't the answer and I don't know what is given the entrenchment of the current system. Proportional representation won't help either - quite the contrary.

Broken.

Ah yes, but who broke it? To be fair, do you keep voting for them.

BTW, PR is the start of the answer ...

[Sephiroth]

There's a difference of nuance (your anti-Tory bias) between what you said earlier:

It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024.

and what you've just said:

While it did not specify the 2% figure, the NHS Confederation hospitals body, the Health Foundation thinktank and several health unions all say that the fact that NHS England’s budget for 2023-24 has already been set means that is the sum Barclay is keen to see awarded, with a 1% contingency potentially making it a 3% rise

On your other point of "keeping voting for them", when I did vote for them last (2019) this shambles was not predictable in my eyes.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

Who sets the parameters for the "independent review panel", they must think we're stupid to fall for that

[Sephiroth]

So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.

Interesting that you mention £30 billion. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if only the government (of either colour) did more to close the tax gap.