Russia has invaded Ukraine

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

You can only vote for Putin in Russia ... nice country not.

(I'll do a sort of jfman here).

We, in the UK, couldn't even vote for Truss or Rishi.

He’s right though, it epic. Epic in its tragi-comic delusion, that is. Anyone who follows any of the Russian media monitoring types on Twitter will already be acquainted with this sort of chat - state tv is full of it. It’s for domestic consumption and they have been steadily ramping it up as things have continually failed to go their way. Problem is the war has gone consistently so wrong for so long this is where they’ve ended up.

It’s not even the worst of it. Their is regularly discussion in Russian tv studios as to whether demonic forces have inhabited western governments and the possibility that Russia stands alone against Satan.

Unfortunately, his reply could be easily misinterpreted.

To some of his audience, epic means "very impressive, or spectacular, or awesome"..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm sorry but I'm not going to trawl the internet for you. Do your own homework.

No need to trawl the internet for me, that's not what I'm asking. I've done my research already and provided links to my sources which are at odds with your position.

I'm just asking you to provide some evidence to back up your assertion which I would hope you have readily to hand.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Unfortunately, his reply could be easily misinterpreted.

To some of his audience, epic means "very impressive, or spectacular, or awesome"..

Yes, he's being a tad mischievous/attention-seeking here.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Unfortunately, his reply could be easily misinterpreted.

To some of his audience, epic means "very impressive, or spectacular, or awesome"..

Perhaps, though I think there’s more than a little hysteria surrounding him now, he knows it and he enjoys winding people up.

Given that Starlink continues to support Ukraine and the system availability is being managed to deliberately prevent Russians also getting onto it, his sympathies here are actually abundantly clear to all except those who wilfully choose to see evidence of his turn to the Dark Side in everything he now says or does.

Whilst the StarLink is vital, he’s not being charitable (nor would I expect him to be).

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/e...arlink-spacex/

Starlink has proved invaluable for Ukraine, connecting citizens and soldiers during the Russia invasion.

Russia has targeted critical grid and telecoms infrastructure, destroying traditional communication methods, but Starlink has allowed many to keep in contact.

Ukraine has received around 22,000 Starlink dishes since the war began, Fedorov said in an interview with Bloomberg.

Ukraine's commander-in-chief, Gen. Zaluzhniy, praised the “exceptional utility” of Starlink, and said it was critical to the war effort.

SpaceX and CEO Elon Musk originally asserted that they were covering all of the costs of the dishes and service fees, but it was revealed that the US government as well as European government were providing tens of millions of dollars. Ukrainian individuals have also been paying for the service.

The rocket company then sent a letter to the US government asking for more funds to cover its Ukrainian operations, but retracted the request after public pushback. US officials were reportedly rankled that the company wanted to look like heroes, while getting secretly paid for it.

Musk claims that it costs the company around $20 million a month to operate in Ukraine, but the number has not been independently verified

Never said he was being charitable - simply that the considerable ongoing effort to get Starlink into Ukraine, and the effort to prevent it being used by Russians occupying Ukraine, is a useful indicator of where Elon Musk’s sympathies lie. Much more useful than his sniggering at an obviously bat-excreta twitter thread from one of the many unhinged Russians presently in public life.

There was also the weird 'peace plan' he proposed which involved the formal ceding of Crimea, referendums for the occupied areas and Ukraine staying neutral. He seems to enjoy stirring the pot at least.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Never said he was being charitable - simply that the considerable ongoing effort to get Starlink into Ukraine, and the effort to prevent it being used by Russians occupying Ukraine, is a useful indicator of where Elon Musk’s sympathies lie. Much more useful than his sniggering at an obviously bat-excreta twitter thread from one of the many unhinged Russians presently in public life.

Probably an indication of where his financial interests lie, as opposed to sympathies.

Probably doesnt want to join the list of Russians having fatal "accidents".

Originally Posted by Paul

Probably doesnt want to join the list of Russians having fatal "accidents".

Funny you should say that …

Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov has been found dead at an Indian hotel, two days after a friend died during the same trip.
They were visiting the eastern state of Odisha and the millionaire, who was also a local politician, had just celebrated his birthday at the hotel.
Antov was a well known figure in the city of Vladimir, east of Moscow.
Last summer he denied criticising Russia's war in Ukraine after a message appeared on his WhatsApp account.
The millionaire's death is the latest in a series of unexplained deaths involving Russian tycoons since the start of the Russian invasion, many of whom have openly criticised the war.
Reports in Russian media said Mr Antov, 65, had fallen from a window at the hotel in the city of Rayagada on Sunday. Another member of his four-strong Russian group, Vladimir Budanov, died at the hotel on Friday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437

If the Russians could only get the Ukrainian Armed Forces to position themselves near windows or staircases, they might have a chance...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If the Russians could only get the Ukrainian Armed Forces to position themselves near windows or staircases, they might have a chance...

America would only plug the gap with money and more weapons.

Originally Posted by jfman

America would only plug the gap with money and more weapons.

And the EU and the U.K.

Total barstewards, trying to help a country that’s been invaded by an aggressor who’s pledged to totally subjugate them…

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...aid-to-ukraine