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				But stealing is wrong, right? 
			
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 Morally I’d say it’s a grey area depending on who from. Robin Hood and all that.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-11-2022, 14:32
			
			
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				Do you have evidence / a link to support the assertion that the thieves can breach the software security, please? 
			
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 I will. I need a bit of time.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-11-2022, 14:43
			
			
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				But stealing is wrong, right? 
			
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 If you're starving is it wrong to steal bread, I'd say no but what if you don't like bread, what if you like electricity, aaaannnnndddd the defence rests
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
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			01-11-2022, 16:10
			
			
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			And now its rested, back to the actual topic.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			01-11-2022, 18:01
			
			
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			Ever the nerd, I love this site -  https://gridwatch.co.uk/ You can see how much electricity the country is currently (arf!) using and how it is generated. As of 1645 today, 37% of our electricity comes from wind power while 31% comes from gas. I was surprised how much solar we had in the UK. At it’s peak, 3% of our electricity needs were met by solar power today. Not bad for a murky day..
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-11-2022, 18:17
			
			
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				Ever the nerd, I love this site -  https://gridwatch.co.uk/ You can see how much electricity the country is currently (arf!) using and how it is generated. As of 1645 today, 37% of our electricity comes from wind power while 31% comes from gas. I was surprised how much solar we had in the UK. At it’s peak, 3% of our electricity needs were met by solar power today. Not bad for a murky day..  
			
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   But look at the longer term figures. There are times when wind power has dropped to a tenth of that. 
An added complication is that although it is called a national grid, there can be localised shortages.
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Increased demand for energy across Europe, combined with a bottleneck in  the grid, forced National Grid's Electricity System Operator (ESO) to  buy electricity from Belgium at the highest price Britain has ever paid  to keep power flowing.
			
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			01-11-2022, 18:49
			
			
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				But look at the longer term figures. There are times when wind power has dropped to a tenth of that. 
An added complication is that although it is called a national grid, there can be localised shortages.
  Eg This July 
			
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 Thanks for a timely reminder for January when we see who faces blackouts.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-11-2022, 18:50
			
			
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				But look at the longer term figures. There are times when wind power has dropped to a tenth of that. 
An added complication is that although it is called a national grid, there can be localised shortages.
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 Oh, without a doubt, the issue with wind is it depends on the weather of course. However, it is certainly a useful buffer, reducing gas usage at least some of the time. The localisation thing is a good point, I have seen the UK both import and export electricity at the same time in the past.
 
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			Has anyone had their next Energy Support payment yet? Bulb isn't as quick as last time for me.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			02-11-2022, 12:49
			
			
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			Three months in my new house and I still haven’t had any contract paperwork from Scottish Power.  You can be sure, when they do eventually start billing me, that if they bill me back to my move in date I’ll be checking that the discounts are correctly applied for all the months they should be …
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			02-11-2022, 14:47
			
			
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				Has anyone had their next Energy Support payment yet? Bulb isn't as quick as last time for me. 
			
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				Has anyone had their next Energy Support payment yet? Bulb isn't as quick as last time for me. 
			
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				Has anyone had their next Energy Support payment yet? Bulb isn't as quick as last time for me. 
			
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 I got an email from Bulb today saying they have credited my account with the latest payment
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Not had mine from Octopus yet either. 
			
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 The first one we got on the 8th of October so l would expect the next one  will probably be next week.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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Meanwhile, the vultures, at their discretion, are forcing smart meter customers onto pre-payment.   
 
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