Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?] - Page 67

**Damien** · 14-10-2022, 08:25

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The papers love a 'plot' !

So not even Con party members get to elect our next PM, they like the electorate can't be trusted anymore. Just a few MPs get to decide.
Our 'democracy' gets worse by the day.

The Tory Members need to be kept away from this.

jfman · 14-10-2022, 09:26

If 80,000 people want a political party that’s a 1980s Thatcher tribute act then they’re entitled to it. It’s bad for democracy if they don’t have a say.

The onus is on everyone else to vote against at a general election.

1andrew1 · 14-10-2022, 10:19

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Originally Posted by denphone

They are damaged beyond repair and the most ominous thing is we got two more years before the next general election and another possible unelected leader in the process if some Tories in their party get their way..

The UK electoral system, funding by trade unions/wealthy individuals, party infrastructure and brand loyalty will ensure the Conservative and Labour Parties are both around for a long time.

That being said, I would anticipate it being a couple of Labour terms before the Conservative Party is fighting fit again.

jfman · 14-10-2022, 10:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The UK electoral system, funding by trade unions/wealthy individuals, party infrastructure and brand loyalty will ensure the Conservative and Labour Parties are both around for a long time.

That being said, I would anticipate it being a couple of Labour terms before the Conservative Party is fighting fit again.

Ultimately we need to break the two party system. Unthinkable for those with a penchant for British exceptionalism, but PR is the way to do it.

denphone · 14-10-2022, 10:58

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Originally Posted by jfman

Ultimately we need to break the two party system. Unthinkable for those with a penchant for British exceptionalism, but PR is the way to do it.

But we have been talking abour PR for as long as l can remember as personally l cannot see it ever happening with both major parties having a vested interest in keeping the 2 party system which suits them best.

1andrew1 · 14-10-2022, 11:25

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Originally Posted by jfman

Ultimately we need to break the two party system. Unthinkable for those with a penchant for British exceptionalism, but PR is the way to do it.

It's definitely a broken system.

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Originally Posted by denphone

But we have been talking abour PR for as long as l can remember as personally l cannot see it ever happening with both major parties having a vested interest in keeping the 2 party system which suits them best.

Labour Party delegates voted for it but the leadership isn't keen. I think the Conservative Party is concerned with other issues at the moment!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rty-to-back-pr

jfman · 14-10-2022, 11:35

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Originally Posted by denphone

But we have been talking abour PR for as long as l can remember as personally l cannot see it ever happening with both major parties having a vested interest in keeping the 2 party system which suits them best.

I agree it suits them (and their donors) to keep the status quo. It also means parties don’t have to meaningfully engage with their membership, or the electorate, outside the Westminster bubble pantomime.

Dave42 · 14-10-2022, 12:05

sky news reporting Truss doing a press conference this afternoon to announce u turn

denphone · 14-10-2022, 12:34

More unsurprising opinion polling from the Evening Standard.

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Kwasi Kwarteng has hit a record low of nearly 50 years for Chancellors after his mini-budget mayhem, a new poll revealed on Friday.

As he flew home early from Washington for crisis talks with Liz Truss, the Ipsos survey for the Standard showed 65 per cent of adults in Britain are dissatisfied with him, and just 12 per cent satisfied, giving him a net rating of -53 just over a month into the job.

No other Chancellor has had a worse rating even as far back as when Denis Healey was at the Treasury helm in 1976, the year that the Labour government had to beg the International Monetary Fund for a bailout.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1032632.html

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It looks like that Kwasi Kwarteng is being sacked as well today as well as Corparation Tax being put back up to 25%.

**Damien** · 14-10-2022, 12:35

The Political Editor of The Times is reporting Kwasi Kwarteng will be sacked: https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...68139692134400

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EXCLUSIVE:

I'm told that Kwasi Kwarteng is being sacked as Chancellor as Liz Truss prepares to reverse the mini-Budget

Not clear who will be replacing him

Events moving very, very quickly this morning

No 10 not commenting

Remember Truss spend the whole summer going on about tax cuts. This is her agenda. She isn't just an idiot, she is a coward as well.

1andrew1 · 14-10-2022, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Dave42

sky news reporting Truss doing a press conference this afternoon to announce u turn

You could post that any day since the mini budget and it would be correct!

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Political Editor of The Times is reporting Kwasi Kwarteng will be sacked: https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...68139692134400

Remember Truss spend the whole summer going on about tax cuts. This is her agenda. She isn't just an idiot, she is a coward as well.

She just wants power. Everything else can be ditched.

Dave42 · 14-10-2022, 12:42

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could post that any day since the mini budget and it would be correct!

that's is true Andrew

what a shower this lot is just over a month and half was that they didnt work because of the queen dying Sunak told us all what would happen

denphone · 14-10-2022, 12:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You could post that any day since the mini budget and it would be correct!

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She just wants power. Everything else can be ditched.

But he was implementing her Policies so she is just as culpable as he is.

1andrew1 · 14-10-2022, 12:59

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But he was implementing her Policies so she is just as culpable as he is.

Exactly. She will let her friend and book co-author Kwarteng take the blame for her policies which she got elected by Conservative Party members on.

No decency, the honourable thing is for her to resign.

#WorstPMEver

denphone · 14-10-2022, 13:01

l hear Jeremy Hunt is being lined up as the new chancellor according to Tom Newton Dunn of TalkTV.