Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?]

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

But he's from the stab the PM in the " back" side of the party, he's just echoing the words of the back stabbing weasel sunak ,the little turd who came second in a two horse race

I think you'll find all sides of the party joined in to show him the door as they realised their careers could be hanging by a thread.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fake news alert #1
The OBR did offer to produce the numbers. See here. This was even flagged before the fateful mini budget! See here.

Fake news alert #2
The government has only agreed for the figures to be produced on 23rd November not in October. Many wiser souls in the party have requested they are produced earlier and hopefully Truss will perform a u-turn on this soon. See here

If a loyal defender of Truss like you has to resort to dreaming up facts, it doesn't inspire me with confidence on her performance!

The OBR cannot produce the numbers until the government has set out in detail how the offsetting savings can be made.

I agree with you on the November date, which is what I said.

You seem to be the dreamer here, dreaming things I don’t say and twisting what I do say.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

aye the taking of the very poorest people in country to give it the top 1% gonna be great NOTTTTTT

The government hasn’t taken anything from the poor! Where did you get that from?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The OBR cannot produce the numbers until the government has set out in detail how the offsetting savings can be made.

I agree with you on the November date, which is what I said.

You seem to be the dreamer here, dreaming things I don’t say and twisting what I do say.

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The government hasn’t taken anything from the poor! Where did you get that from?

I get the impression you'd defend Daffy Duck if he was the Tory PM OB.
Tbh Daffy would do a better job than Dizzy L.

[jfman]

So where is the tax burden going for the masses of debt for the next 30 years?

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Originally Posted by Mr K

I get the impression you'd defend Daffy Duck if he was the Tory PM OB.
Tbh Daffy would do a better job than Dizzy L.

Of course he would. He's so ideologically ingrained to loathe the working people of this great nation if any puppet stands up there, drives down their living standards, working conditions, and siphons off the state to unaccountable privatised oligopolies he's your boy.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Of course he would. He's so ideologically ingrained to loathe the working people of this great nation if any puppet stands up there, drives down their living standards, working conditions, and siphons off the state to unaccountable privatised oligopolies he's your boy.

You must be a desperate man, trying to insinuate about others what isn’t there in the first place.

If your thinking is so shallow that you believe anyone voting Conservative hates ‘working people’, then I pity you.

[denphone]

More bad news for Liz Truss tonight with more opinion polls just released by YouGov.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../09/30/fee3a/1

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You must be a desperate man, trying to insinuate about others what isn’t there in the first place.

If your thinking is so shallow that you believe anyone voting Conservative hates ‘working people’, then I pity you.

To be fair, he is not saying this about "anyone voting Conservative", he is saying this about you.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The figures will be produced by November, the OBR can rake over the numbers and the public will start to realise that all this fuss was unnecessary and they will live to see another summer.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The OBR cannot produce the numbers until the government has set out in detail how the offsetting savings can be made.

I agree with you on the November date, which is what I said.

The government won't release them until November 23rd, not by November which is what you said.

The OBR is not waiting for more information from the government.

OBR: we offered to update forecasts in time for 'mini-budget'

The Office of Budget Responsibility has confirmed that it could have produced an economic forecast in time for the “mini-budget”, but was not asked to do so by Kwasi Kwarteng.

It adds further details to ongoing objections that the chancellor’s move, which included £45bn of tax cuts, without a clear economic forecast to back it up.

In a letter to the Scottish National Party’s Westminster leader Ian Blackford and the party’s shadow chancellor Alison Thewliss, the chair of the OBR confirmed that the body sent “a draft economic and fiscal forecast to the new chancellor on 6 September, his first day in office”.

Richard Hughes wrote: “We offered, at the time, to update that forecast to take account of subsequent data and to reflect the economic and fiscal impact of any policies the government announced in time for it to be published alongside the ‘fiscal event’.”

“In the event, we were not commissioned to produce an updated forecast alongside the Chancellor’s Growth Plan on 23 September, although we would have been in a position to do so to a standard that satisfied the legal requirements of the Charter for Budget Responsibility.”

20.58 29/9/22 https://www.theguardian.com/politics...086bb4a78eb3fd

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

To be fair, he is not saying this about "anyone voting Conservative", he is saying this about you.

Precisely, a clever deflection from OB.

Some people vote Conservative in good faith. And to a varying degree a significant number of those have wobbled over the last few months. They may well continue to vote Conservative or they may not. However they are demonstrably engaging with reality.

Three different users have either lost faith, considered the role of the state in energy and a wealth tax. Now they might not fall on the side of the fence, but they’re engaging with the debate and can see that the status quo is demonstrably not working. Away from OB’s perverse tribal politics, that’s what the rest of us consider a healthy dialogue.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I see you follow the Truss/Kwarteng School of Numbers.

There were, in fact, eight Candidates in the Conservative Leadership Contest…

Not really. There were eight candidates, that were eventually reduced to two by the parliamentary Tory party.

That was then put to the Tory membership as a de facto “two horse race”.

But you knew that.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not really. There were eight candidates, that were eventually reduced to two by the parliamentary Tory party.

That was then put to the Tory membership as a de facto “two horse race”.

But you knew that.

but you are ignoring the other six candidates* to support PS’s diatribe - but you knew that…

Penny Mordaunt got more MPs votes in the first four ballots than Truss…

*it’s like saying the FA Cup is a "two horse race" because there are only two teams in the final, when in fact it is a one hundred and twenty four horse race…

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

To be fair, he is not saying this about "anyone voting Conservative", he is saying this about you.

If so, it is yet another mischaracterisation. Let’s keep to the topic, shall we?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The government won't release them until November 23rd, not by November which is what you said.

The OBR is not waiting for more information from the government.

20.58 29/9/22 https://www.theguardian.com/politics...086bb4a78eb3fd

Pedantry reigns. I guess it depends how you interpret statements, but I was talking about what the government has stated on a number of occasions.

The OBR isn’t waiting for anything, but the government wants to fine tune its plans before getting them criticised on some technical detail.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The pound back up to 1.12 against the dollar, thank god all the MSM commentators are talking about it or I’d never have known.

Great news. The guys with £155K+ can go abroad and enjoy themselves!

The rest can get 8 jumpers to keep warm for X-mass

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If so, it is yet another mischaracterisation. Let’s keep to the topic, shall we?

Not sure you are a Mod yet

jfman was talking about you and not all Tory voters so please, let's keep this honest.

I understand that Truss has let you down and you have no position from which to build an argument. The "let's wait and see" approach is just "head in the sand" economics - the real world does not work like this. Peoples' homes & livelihoods are on the line.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Precisely, a clever deflection from OB.

Some people vote Conservative in good faith. And to a varying degree a significant number of those have wobbled over the last few months. They may well continue to vote Conservative or they may not. However they are demonstrably engaging with reality.

Three different users have either lost faith, considered the role of the state in energy and a wealth tax. Now they might not fall on the side of the fence, but they’re engaging with the debate and can see that the status quo is demonstrably not working. Away from OB’s perverse tribal politics, that’s what the rest of us consider a healthy dialogue.

I do try to engage with these debates, but you are interested only in personal insults.

There are two sides to this particular crisis, and you only want to debate the alternative view. Truss is attempting to break down the established group think, and this is naturally causing a huge amount of opposition. She is keeping things pretty close to her chest at the moment - I suspect she will pack in a few surprises at her Conference early next week.

She has a plan, and the markets will calm down when she presents it - her way.

You seem to forget that only a few weeks ago the Leader of the Opposition was demanding that people got to know where they stood with fuel bills. Well, now they know (although I don’t think it has sunk in yet with many people that things won’t be so bad after all, despite the hype), but the upshot of that is, the full detail of how it will be paid for is not quite finalised, which is why they have resisted the OBR at this stage.

The hysterical reaction we have seen is bordering on mass mental instability, and is mostly due to nervousness over Putin’s attempts to destabilise the West. Truss and Kwarteng must keep their heads while everyone around them are losing theirs.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure you are a Mod yet

jfman was talking about you and not all Tory voters so please, let's keep this honest.

I understand that Truss has let you down and you have no position from which to build an argument. The "let's wait and see" approach is just "head in the sand" economics - the real world does not work like this. Peoples' homes & livelihoods are on the line.

I am not a mod, and I was merely pointing out that were going off topic before a mod intervened.

jfman I know was referring to me, but I was pointing out his general attitude, which he betrays post after post.

Truss has not let me down. She will shake things up and show she is not going to be pushed around by anyone.