Russia has invaded Ukraine
08-09-2022, 22:52
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Most likely both of them
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09-09-2022, 00:08
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Most likely both of them
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Sometimes being a "devil’s advocate’" is indistinguishable from being an "asshole"…
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Ukraine’s assertions are confirmed by independent sources - Russia’s aren’t .
https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-september-7
There’s the difference…
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09-09-2022, 02:16
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Well I suppose technically they have not lost anything compared to the start of the war, since none of it was theirs then ...
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09-09-2022, 15:18
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
https://twitter.com/ozkaterji/status...JyoELBcJZcOmag
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From ‘the second best army in the world’ to the second best army in Ukraine
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09-09-2022, 15:31
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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There is being seen as a asshole because said person does not blindly believe a propaganda machine and there are those who are just assholes Hugh
The majority of the worlds governments are against Russia so it is not hard to believe we are being manipulated in following the narrative. I see nothing in your link that proves to me I can trust them the same as I can not trust news coming out of Russia.
Maybe if I was to say Baaaaa you would understand
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09-09-2022, 16:27
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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There is being seen as a asshole because said person does not blindly believe a propaganda machine and there are those who are just assholes Hugh
The majority of the worlds governments are against Russia so it is not hard to believe we are being manipulated in following the narrative. I see nothing in your link that proves to me I can trust them the same as I can not trust news coming out of Russia.
Maybe if I was to say Baaaaa you would understand
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Big difference between propaganda and a multi nation conspiracy to hide the truth from their citizens, bit insulting to journalists here actually imo
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09-09-2022, 16:37
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Big difference between propaganda and a multi nation conspiracy to hide the truth from their citizens, bit insulting to journalists here actually imo
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I do not understand what point you are making here?
Only a naive person would think we are not being lied to by those in power on a daily basis
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09-09-2022, 16:48
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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I do not understand what point you are making here?
Only a naive person would think we are not being lied to by those in power on a daily basis
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If you don't believe anything then what value is there in following or commenting on this story? There is no factual basis to start a discussion.
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09-09-2022, 16:57
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
There is being seen as a asshole because said person does not blindly believe a propaganda machine and there are those who are just assholes Hugh
The majority of the worlds governments are against Russia so it is not hard to believe we are being manipulated in following the narrative. I see nothing in your link that proves to me I can trust them the same as I can not trust news coming out of Russia.
Maybe if I was to say Baaaaa you would understand
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It’s not a Government organisation…
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The Ukraine War is also being reported by multiple other OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) source, none of which are Governmental.
https://www.echosec.net/weeklybullet...-post-invasion
https://www.technology.org/2022/08/3...ilitary-bases/
There’s cynicism and there’s bloody-minded blindness to reality…
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09-09-2022, 16:57
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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If you don't believe anything then what value is there in following or commenting on this story? There is no factual basis to start a discussion.
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Cuz I want to. Is that ok with you 
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09-09-2022, 17:01
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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I find it really amusing that educated intelligent people do not appear to understand how propaganda works. I see the news this thread and the like and get a general idea but maintain an agnostic view on it because I am not there and do not trust anyone
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09-09-2022, 18:04
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Mate, I was actively involved in Intelligence Collection and Analysis when I was in the RAF, working with GCHQ, NSA, and the US Armed Forces - I know how SIGINT/OSINT works, and how propaganda works.
Mistrusting everything isn’t maintaining an agnostic view - it’s blinding yourself to any truthful information, by treating everything as false; research, collect, analyse, verify - the basics of fact-finding…
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10-09-2022, 10:04
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
OKAY,back on topic everyone.
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10-09-2022, 10:05
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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I presume that was Ukrainian. Good one.
I remember from an episode of Sharpe when he was called the exact opposite, an “edel Mensch”.
On which note, Ukraine seems to be recapturing ground and Russia has gone all quiet.
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I think full scale invasions of any moderate sized country has proven difficult since the end of WWII. When you consider the failures in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan twice. The only real exception that comes to mind is Iraq and I guess that was not that big and had a lot going on against it on the inside with it being a factional country
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10-09-2022, 11:10
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
This is as close to confirmation of the Ukrainian advances as you'll get from Russia.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...10989149605888
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