Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?] - Page 9

**Mick** · 06-09-2022, 23:03

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To be fair, Trump was one of a very large number of politicians who warned Germany of its folly, going back over 30-odd years. Eastern European leaders, especially from the Baltic states, were especially vocal. If Trump joined the chorus in 2018 he was actually pretty late to the party.

Well, he did only become president in 2017. Before that, they were hardly going to listen to a real estate businessman.

**Damien** · 06-09-2022, 23:12

One of Germany's problems was the brain-dead idea to close nuclear power plants for no real reason other than the general political mood of the time. Everyone went crazy after Fukushima even though that was an old plant, hit by an earthquake and a tsunami which still isn't predicted to have had that many fatalities (a lot more people will die from being able to heat their homes this winter).

One of our problems is successive governments refusing to build them because they take 10 years to come online.

**Mick** · 06-09-2022, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Damien

One of Germany's problems was the brain-dead idea to close nuclear power plants for no real reason other than the general political mood of the time. Everyone went crazy after Fukushima even though that was an old plant, hit by an earthquake and a tsunami which still isn't predicted to have had that many fatalities (a lot more people will die from being able to heat their homes this winter).

One of our problems is successive governments refusing to build them because they take 10 years to come online.

So we can blame Nick Clegg for scuppering plans for Nuclear power back in 2010, as part of a Coalition agreement with the Tories. Got it.

**Damien** · 06-09-2022, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Mick

So we can blame Nick Clegg for scuppering plans for Nuclear power back in 2010, as part of a Coalition agreement with the Tories. Got it.

Well yes, Clegg explicitly stated we shouldn't have them because they wouldn't come online until 21/22! Although the coalition agreement only stopped them from using public money to help build them.

Labour wanted them but never pushed it though because they were lukewarm on it, pretty much for the same reason that they didn't want to pick up the bill.

But the Tories too have done little on nuclear power and have been in power for 12 years with the coalition or 7 years without them.

I think we should do it ourselves and own the plants at this point. Hinkley Point is estimated to be about £25 billion. We could have built four of them for the price of this cap freeze until January. Underinvestment costs us in the long run as does depending on a private company who'll delay every step of the way hoping to get us to foot a lot of the bill for their shiny new plant.

1andrew1 · 07-09-2022, 00:06

This may trigger some but Tony Blair very amusingly calls out the Conservatives' views on nuclear power in this historical clip. I think it neatly sums up the views of many on both sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIPiKwmnEI

Mr K · 07-09-2022, 08:29

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Rt Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP as Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy - No.10

Super, a climate change denier in charge of Energy. Maybe he'll have us all going round on Penny Farthings, to trade with each other in highly prized candles...

As for Industrial Srategy, it will no doubtless be to provoke as many strikes as he can....

BenMcr · 07-09-2022, 10:23

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Rt Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP as Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy - No.10

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Super, a climate change denier in charge of Energy. Maybe he'll have us all going round on Penny Farthings, to trade with each other in highly prized candles...

As for Industrial Srategy, it will no doubtless be to provoke as many strikes as he can....

We've now got a separate Minister for Climate - https://www.gov.uk/government/minist...er-for-climate

spiderplant · 07-09-2022, 11:06

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First female PM not to take her husband's surname.

which is O'Leary

**Damien** · 07-09-2022, 11:14

It's very common now for women who've got established public careers under their original names to keep it now for obvious reasons. I think I prefer that any way to the other increasingly common trend to have double-barrelled surnames as I think that'll get messy when their kids go onto to marry other people with such surnames (Smith-Evans-Taylor-Jones anyone?)

Pierre · 07-09-2022, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's very common now for women who've got established public careers under their original names to keep it now for obvious reasons. I think I prefer that any way to the other increasingly common trend to have double-barrelled surnames as I think that'll get messy when their kids go onto to marry other people with such surnames (Smith-Evans-Taylor-Jones anyone?)

Mrs Pierres family were all girls, and her sister only had daughters. We have two boys but we don't go in for double barrel names so our boys middle names are Mrs Pierres surname.

1andrew1 · 07-09-2022, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's very common now for women who've got established public careers under their original names to keep it now for obvious reasons. I think I prefer that any way to the other increasingly common trend to have double-barrelled surnames as I think that'll get messy when their kids go onto to marry other people with such surnames (Smith-Evans-Taylor-Jones anyone?)

Don't countries who do this just drop the second surname after the hyphenation so it would be Smith-Taylor in the above example if the parents were Smith-Evans and Taylor-Jones?

OLD BOY · 07-09-2022, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Super, a climate change denier in charge of Energy. Maybe he'll have us all going round on Penny Farthings, to trade with each other in highly prized candles...

As for Industrial Srategy, it will no doubtless be to provoke as many strikes as he can....

I simply point out that it was the obsession with green energy which has resulted in us being in the position we are in now.

Had we gone for a gentle transition, closing down fossil fuel resources only as green fuels were able to replace them, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.

We are still committed to net zero by 2050, but most of these green extremists want it all now. We should stop listening to them.

Dave42 · 07-09-2022, 15:27

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An I simply point out that it was the obsession with green energy which has resulted in us being in the position we are in now.

Had we gone for a gentle transition, closing down fossil fuel resources only as green fuels were able to replace them, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.

We are still committed to net zero by 2050, but most of these green extremists want it all now. We should stop listening to them.

the thing is OB we cant just carry on as normal and do nothing cant just sit back and make the planet uninhabitable

OLD BOY · 07-09-2022, 15:34

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the thing is OB we cant just carry on as normal and do nothing cant just sit back and make the planet uninhabitable

If you re-read my post, I accept that we need to reach net zero by 2050. But we need to do it sensibly.

Sephiroth · 07-09-2022, 15:56

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

which is O'Leary

Did Mick know that?!