Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one's suggesting Truss needs an advisor for every decision she makes. But an ethics adviser seems pretty essential given the ethical issues Johnson's team has failed the electorate on.

No she doesn't. Ethics is something a PM should be able to handle themselves. If she wants advice, she will seek it from an appropriate existing source.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We want to prevent another nuclear war. Does she need to appoint an advisor for that?

We want to prevent more boats coming across the North Sea. Does she need another advisor for that?

We want to prevent more terrorist attacks. Does she need another advisor for that?

The truth is, there are many things we need to prevent, and many things to address, but we rely on the guy at the top to make these decisions and bring in expertise as required.

All the overkill seems to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate and slow everything down. We have a lot of issues to resolve in a very short time. The PM needs to be freed up to deal with things as she sees fit. If she gets it wrong, the GE will judge her on any failures.

Pretty sure the government has advisers for these areas, Old Boy.

If she gets it wrong, Ministers will eventually find the courage to resign and the Conservative Party membership (including those unable to vote in British elections) will decide who our next Prime Minister is, at the slowest pace that they can muster.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No she doesn't. Ethics is something a PM should be able to handle themselves. If she wants advice, she will seek it from an appropriate existing source.

An existing source who will advise her. Wonder what that person's job title could be?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one's suggesting Truss needs an advisor for every decision she makes. But an ethics adviser seems pretty essential given the ethical issues Johnson's team has failed the electorate on.

Boris is a one-off. Truss is just the normal political truth-economist.

[Mr K]

The Tories don't know what ethics are.
They think it's a county where the riff raff reside, east of London.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Pretty sure the government has advisers for these areas, Old Boy.

If she gets it wrong, Ministers will eventually find the courage to resign and the Conservative Party membership (including those unable to vote in British elections) will decide who our next Prime Minister is, at the slowest pace that they can muster.

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An existing source who will advise her. Wonder what that person's job title could be?

The appropriate Cabinet member will advise her.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The appropriate Cabinet member will advise her.

You say that as if inappropriate cabinet members can't.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

You say that as if inappropriate cabinet members can't.

Very witty, jfman, very witty.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Boris is a one-off. Truss is just the normal political truth-economist.

The evidence points to Truss giving us the worst elements of the two PMs-to-be in the most recent General Election: the ethics of Johnson and the fiscal ignorance of Corbyn. The fact that she doesn't want an ethics adviser or the OBR checking her sums only serve to back this up.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The evidence points to Truss giving us the worst elements of the two PMs-to-be in the most recent General Election: the ethics of Johnson and the fiscal ignorance of Corbyn. The fact that she doesn't want an ethics adviser or the OBR checking her sums only serve to back this up.

You do realise that is nonsense, don’t you, Andrew.

And as far as the OBR is concerned, this demonstrates perfectly how these processes are designed to delay. Starmer himself argues that we cannot wait to put in place measures to tackle the cost of living crisis, then in the next breath, he says we must have an OBR assessment first, which will take weeks.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You do realise that is nonsense, don’t you, Andrew.

And as far as the OBR is concerned, this demonstrates perfectly how these processes are designed to delay. Starmer himself argues that we cannot wait to put in place measures to tackle the cost of living crisis, then in the next breath, he says we must have an OBR assessment first, which will take weeks.

The only thing delaying a new PM is Conservative Party bureaucracy. This whole matter should have been concluded in days not months. The Party needs to update its processes, this is 2022 not 1822!

Truss can do her budget in parallel to OBR scrutiny. Unlike the Conservative Party, the OBR can move swiftly in days not months.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

If you thought about it, you could name many sorts of advisor. I'm sure that as PM, Liz Truss does not need an advisor for every pettyfogging decision she makes.

And certainly not one who goes around advising on conflicts of interest. I would have thought that was pretty self evident. We need to cut all the waste in government, not add to it.

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Sorry, did you mean 'yet'?

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We want to prevent another nuclear war. Does she need to appoint an advisor for that?

We want to prevent more boats coming across the North Sea. Does she need another advisor for that?

We want to prevent more terrorist attacks. Does she need another advisor for that?

The truth is, there are many things we need to prevent, and many things to address, but we rely on the guy at the top to make these decisions and bring in expertise as required.

All the overkill seems to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate and slow everything down. We have a lot of issues to resolve in a very short time. The PM needs to be freed up to deal with things as she sees fit. If she gets it wrong, the GE will judge her on any failures.

ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss - did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?

[richard-john56]

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[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss - did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?

Well, as Boris is no longer to be PM, what do you expect?

I still support Johnson as do many Conservatives, because I think that his vision for the future and his achievements to date are far more important than when he chose to eat his birthday cake.

For what it’s worth, I often ate in the office. Nothing strange about that!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss -did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?

First part - true; second part is rather nasty.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, as Boris is no longer to be PM, what do you expect?

I still support Johnson as do many Conservatives, because I think that his vision for the future and his achievements to date are far more important than when he chose to eat his birthday cake.

For what it’s worth, I often ate in the office. Nothing strange about that!

The football supporter approach. Well the last manager was shit, so was the one before that, but I wish Eric ten Hag well.