Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There are advantages and disadvantages in any trade deal, but overall any trade deal must work for us. The relatively small downsides in these two deals are outweighed by the real objectives of these trade deals - ie the £9 trillion Trans Pacific bloc.

Why do we need to negotiate a bad deal with Oz/NZ to get a trade deal with that bloc? Surely it sends out the wrong message?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I was referring to the general tone of many posts on here from your good self and others, Andrew. I am not impressed by the practice of extracting all the negative reports from the media and promoting them as if all the news was bad. Just as in your email above, you highlighted those relatively minor points without recognising the overarching objective, which will be very positive indeed for the UK.

It's a tough time for many people in the country, Old Boy. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

[Dude111]

Originally posted by Mr K
He will happily sacrifice 66 million peoples, by perpetually lying, saying anything anyone wants to hear, whilst not believing in anything himself. His private life is much the same. He's already been sacked many times from other jobs for lying and gone through several marriages/affairs/relationships and has lost count of the number of resulting offspring.

Anyone that voted for him knew all this but still did so

(Does he remind you of a certain ex-US president Dude?

Yes I suppose he does!!

I wonder if this guy really won or the election was stolen to get him in like they did with Biden...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Yes I suppose he does!!

I wonder if this guy really won or the election was stolen to get him in like they did with Biden...

Johnson like Biden won the election fair and square. In both cases, remarkably, they were up against worse opponents.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a tough time for many people in the country, Old Boy. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

I didn’t claim otherwise.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I hope next year’s Tory Leadership contest doesn’t take as long as this one…

no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I didn’t claim otherwise.

You've said as much by suggesting that people on here hunt out negative news and promote it. The reality is different - the country is going through a tough time so there will be a lot of negative news around to discuss. Even today the news is about double digit inflation, the last time we had that was back in 1982. Your fellow Conservatives have said that you need to be more critical of the PM candidates.

You'll find that where there is good news like the new Covid vaccine approval, people will generally be discussing it positively.

If our politicians are perceived to be lacking, lazy or misleading the public then expect them to be called to account. And expect those in power making and implementing policy to be given more scrutiny. This is not North Korea and it is right we hold our government to high standards. With power comes responsibility to deliver.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO

I predict she'll get through the full term.

I think what she's said and what she'll do may end up being a little different and she will edge us marginally closer to Europe (eg common veterinary standards, easier for some sectors to recruit from Europe) as this is a relatively painless way of taking some of the inflation out of the system.

[jfman]

The truth coming out now.

Work harder, for longer, for less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62571016

Remember it was the high skill, high wage economy

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Dave42

no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO

I think you could well be right. She's already made a hash of the job before starting by accusing British workers of being work shy fobs and flip flopping on regional pay. What will she be like when she actually has the job and can wreak real damage.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think you could well be right. She's already made a hash of the job before starting by accusing British workers of being work shy fobs and flip flopping on regional pay. What will she be like when she actually has the job and can wreak real damage.

Yes didn't seem to be the best idea to insult the majority of the British workforce when you're looking for public support. We should all be like the London workforce apparently and get off our lazy arses

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Yes didn't seem to be the best idea to insult the majority of the British workforce when you're looking for public support. We should all be like the London workforce apparently and get off our lazy arses

Another thing that should make her your favourite is she went to Rounday School, but as she said a few weeks ago she's got to where she is despite her education not because of it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

The truth coming out now.

Work harder, for longer, for less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62571016

Remember it was the high skill, high wage economy

Putting my Old Boy cap on here, I did manage to find a positive in her statement - she did say the UK's low productivity was not the fault of the EU or immigrants. "We say it's all Europe that's causing all these problems, it's all, it's migrants that's causing these problems but actually, what needs to happen is, you know, a bit more... a bit more graft (she laughs). It's not a popular message."

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Another thing that should make her your favourite is she went to Rounday School, but as she said a few weeks ago she's got to where she is despite her education not because of it.

Makes me proud although I'm no more Yorkshire born and bred than she is. Roundhay school is actually a good school, makes you wonder how she got in at Oxford University despite being held back by such shoddy teaching.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Putting my Old Boy cap on here, I did manage to find a positive in her statement - she did say the UK's low productivity was not the fault of the EU or immigrants. "We say it's all Europe that's causing all these problems, it's all, it's migrants that's causing these problems but actually, what needs to happen is, you know, a bit more... a bit more graft (she laughs). It's not a popular message."

Essentially the Tories hate the British people even more than anyone you will find in Brussels. Merely a resource from which to extract as much wealth as possible, and to toss onto the scrapheap once done. But they deploy the dog whistles effectively so people blame others rather than what’s staring them in the face.

[1andrew1]

Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder?

Now mow Andrew, he wasn't "sleeping from home" and that's the main thing. Probably having nice dreams about his Shell shares...
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