Coronavirus

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing mild symptoms.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden has tested positive for COVID-19 and is experiencing mild symptoms.

Great excuse to keep him hidden away for a couple of weeks.

I wouldn’t bet against him not seeing out this year.

It will be President Harris and VP pick Gavin Newsome running at the next election.

They’ll lose against Rep. Candidate de Santis.

I think Harris wouldn't be allowed to assume the role of de facto incumbent if she takes over the Presidency and will be subject to a primary. The Democrats are probably seriously looking at 2024 and are hoping Biden says he'll do one term to make that a more straightforward process. Biden isn't popular amongst Democrats, it's not as if he has a base of passionate supporters ala Trump.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think Harris wouldn't be allowed to assume the role of de facto incumbent if she takes over the Presidency and will be subject to a primary. The Democrats are probably seriously looking at 2024 and are hoping Biden says he'll do one term to make that a more straightforward process. Biden isn't popular amongst Democrats, it's not as if he has a base of passionate supporters ala Trump.

In that case, it will be Newsome that runs in 24.

[1andrew1]

Biden's stepping down has been prophesised ever since he became President 18 months ago. I'm sure a spot of Covid won't stop him seeing out his term.

[Taf]

The 7-day rolling average of deaths is looking steppy as figures aren't been updated very often now.

This is what it looks like since January 1st.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Biden's stepping down has been prophesised ever since he became President 18 months ago. I'm sure a spot of Covid won't stop him seeing out his term.

I can’t see him stepping down. I can certainly see him falling down.

---------- Post added at 19:45 ---------- Previous post was at 19:43 ----------

Originally Posted by Taf

The 7-day rolling average of deaths is looking steppy as figures aren't been updated very often now.

This is what it looks like since January 1st.

It’s nothing to worry about, Taf. Most of us have had it or have got it. It’s not the danger it once was to most people.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s nothing to worry about, Taf. Most of us have had it or have got it. It’s not the danger it once was to most people.

Red herring alert.

Originally Posted by jfman

Red herring alert.

How is that a red herring ?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s nothing to worry about, Taf. Most of us have had it or have got it. It’s not the danger it once was to most people.

Official figures are that 35% of us have had it, and 0.28% have died with/from it.

And there are those who have not had a single dose of the vaccine....

The ONS estimate for the population aged 12 and over, which is 48,375,273. With 43,250,509 first doses having been given in England, that would leave an estimated 5.1 million eligible people who have not received a dose of vaccine.

The NIMS figure for the population aged 12 or over is 54,328,630, which would leave around 11 million eligible people in England who have not received a dose of vaccine.

https://fullfact.org/health/expose-e...on-vaccinated/

Third vaccination rates were lower for Black Caribbean, Black African and Pakistani ethnic groups. Rates were also lower for those living in deprived areas, who have never worked or are long-term unemployed, who are limited a lot by a disability, who identify as Muslim or are male (May 2022).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ights/vaccines

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is that a red herring ?

“Most” people have never been in danger from Covid. Similarly having had Covid isn’t a guarantee of no unpleasant outcomes second, third or fourth time.

So to dismiss a point on that basis is very much a red herring, distracting from what remain legitimate concerns over healthcare (or indeed economic) outcomes resulting from multiple mass infections of Covid.

According to the official UK site 93.3% have had at least one dose, and 87.5% both.

Its clearly "not the danger it once was" or we'd all still be hiding under the stairs [in total lockdown].

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Paul

According to the official UK site 93.3% have had at least one dose, and 87.5% both.

Its clearly "not the danger it once was" or we'd all still be hiding under the stairs [in total lockdown].

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Correct, as evidenced by the fact that jfman vacated his cupboard under the stairs a while ago now.

In the main, it is really only the extremely vulnerable who are still in danger now, although the unvaccinated are taking a risk, but that’s their choosing.

The number of infections have risen lately it is true, but they now appear to be declining again, and this will almost certainly continue now that the schools have broken up for the summer, as the Scots have already witnessed.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Correct, as evidenced by the fact that jfman vacated his cupboard under the stairs a while ago now.

In the main, it is really only the extremely vulnerable who are still in danger now, although the unvaccinated are taking a risk, but that’s their choosing.

The number of infections have risen lately it is true, but they now appear to be declining again, and this will almost certainly continue now that the schools have broken up for the summer, as the Scots have already witnessed.

And they’ll go back up with the next variant.

As someone with such concern for the attendance rates of French border officials, I’d have expected you to consider the wider impact of mass sickness multiple times a year on the economy. Likewise how the low tax economy will support the hundreds of thousands who have left the workforce - a figure that will presumably rise with each variant.

https://www.ft.com/content/c333a6d8-...8-eeb1c05a34d2

The binary of 2019 vs lockdown is indeed no longer appropriate, however there’s also little value in comparing death with non-death outcomes. There’s an absence of learning in learning to live with the virus. At significant ongoing economic cost with unsustainable pressures on the healthcare system.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

And they’ll go back up with the next variant.

As someone with such concern for the attendance rates of French border officials, I’d have expected you to consider the wider impact of mass sickness multiple times a year on the economy. Likewise how the low tax economy will support the hundreds of thousands who have left the workforce - a figure that will presumably rise with each variant.

.

As long as each variant weakens as it mutates, it is a decreasing problem. Until it disappears completely or becomes extremely minor in terms of risk of illness, we just have to live with it.