Coronavirus

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You're right, it's absolutely not the end of the world yet, but nor as many profess or believe is the situation completely over.

we don't know how long it will take to reengineer and test updated booster shots.

The virus can mutate much quicker than we can react, the more people infected the greater the probability of a mutation....

I haven't seen anything by the government as to what the plans are should there be shift to a vaccine/antibody escape variant that can causes more serious illness and/or death and which either retains it's rate of transmission or has an increased rate of transmission.

To ignore the fact that the above is an entirely plausible is no better than two and a bit years ago when Boris said that it would be over in a few weeks

The government would be wise to remember the 7 Ps but, they won't

... one of the Ps being Partygate.

[papa smurf]

Boris Johnson announces new Covid vaccine roll-out as cases surge across UK again

What a guy,still putting the people first

A FRESH wave of Covid booster jabs will be rolled out this autumn with Boris Johnson vowing to make sure the virus "can never haunt us in the same way again".


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...on-winter-jabs

[jfman]

Suppose they’ll need to empty the fridges for the bodies.

Probably start doing a yearly COVID vaccine at the same time as the flu one I reakon.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Probably start doing a yearly COVID vaccine at the same time as the flu one I reakon.

I think that'll be pretty much a given. This virus isn't going away anytime soon.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I think that'll be pretty much a given. This virus isn't going away anytime soon.

But so far as it has mutated it has generally become milder, even with the increased ability to circumvent immunity.


Now I'm far from being anti-vaccination, but I don't really see how much benefit using the original vaccines again is actually going to have. Yes immunity wanes, but these vaccines target a specific part of the virus which has now changed significantly in the currently circulating variants. From what I've also seen, in various studies (think the ONS show too) the immune response is waning much less after a third dose than after the first two. The reinfections and escape infections we are seeing are presumably because omicron can do this when your protection is against an older variant which is why we need to be using the updated Pfizer and Moderna jabs when we can.


Mercifully, whilst there has been an increase in people testing positive on hospital admission during the current wave stats also show most of these are incidental and that a lot of them don't have covid as the reason why they are there. Whilst this still has its own considerations to make, the admissions are still some way off peaks and the severity of infections is less, the number of deaths has gone down and stayed down, which also means the hospitals are able to treat those admitted (assuming they need it) in most cases. We aren't back to Jan 2021 levels and probably never will be as the virus gets less potent, the vaccines give some protection, and we get better at treating those who do get it badly.


All part of it becoming endemic - most people who are getting it now are usually having a flu-like infection for a week or two most and then get over it. It won't be going away, but it will increasingly be possible to cope with it.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nffc

But so far as it has mutated it has generally become milder, even with the increased ability to circumvent immunity.

Evidence?

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

Evidence?

Not so many people in hospital?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Not so many people in hospital?

Is that the vaccine? Is that because the low hanging fruit have already been offed? As Mick shared the other day 180,000 of the COVID death certificates have other factors on them.

It”s not possible, although often shared by those who seek comforting (if inaccurate) headlines, to support the claim that mutations are making the virus milder in general nor that to be the inevitable trajectory.

Such an evidence based study would require assessing the risk of groups with the same vaccine and pre-infection status (by variant, including multiple) exposure to each incremental variant against the original strain. I’m yet to see one.

And of course are they going into hospital “with” COVID or “because of” COVID.

Originally Posted by jfman

Evidence?

Evidence it isnt ?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Evidence it isnt ?

I’m not making a claim - I’ve already pointed to the multitude of criteria that would need to be controlled for in any such study to reach any conclusion and that no evidence base exists. I’m sure the worlds greatest behavioural scientists have been working hard at pushing the narrative however, for purely economic reasons.

I’ve similarly got a hunch, which I suspect is all nffc has to offer despite his initial conviction.

Similarly his paradox of dismissing the point of vaccines, but readily accepting one to two weeks sickness per infection seems inherently contradictory. The purpose of any medical interventions or treatments are surely to aim to reduce that further, therefore making it even easier to “cope”.

[nomadking]

For many, the biggest risk of catching Covid will come from going to get any booster jabs.
An important thing to note is, even if you're not worried about the number of infections, it does give an indication of the number of people that are infectious and have passed it on.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

For many, the biggest risk of catching Covid will come from going to get any booster jabs.

Source? That's a single annual trip compared to most people's multiple visits to the shops each year.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Evidence?

Are you questioning the obvious, jfman? What exactly is your attraction to that cupboard under the stairs? We have a right to know!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Evidence?

Because you’re an absolute stalwart for ensuring everything you post is backed up by evidence…………..