Russia has invaded Ukraine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

Russia says its forces have withdrawn from Snake Island in the north-western Black Sea, which was captured at the start of the war

Moscow says it has done so as a "goodwill gesture" but Ukraine says its attacks forced Russian forces to retreat

"goodwill gesture" <snigger>

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663



"goodwill gesture" <snigger>

The fight over Snake Island reveals something that seems to be a pattern in this war. If the Russians can’t rely on overwhelming artillery firepower, they struggle accomplish anything. In any engagement requiring initiative and adaptability, the Ukrainians seem to prevail.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/...42281717882880

Kyiv Independent also reports

Ukraine's Operational Command "South” reported on June 30 that Russian troops "hastily evacuated the remnants of its garrison" and “likely left the island” after they were attacked by Ukrainian forces overnight.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The fight over Snake Island reveals something that seems to be a pattern in this war. If the Russians can’t rely on overwhelming artillery firepower, they struggle accomplish anything. In any engagement requiring initiative and adaptability, the Ukrainians seem to prevail.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/...42281717882880

Why do you think the Ukrainians keep asking for artillery more than anything else? Been saying a while now that the lack of information compared to the early months of the war isn't because people are bored it's because Ukraine is no longer winning and it's forces are suffering every bit as much as Russia's now

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Why do you think the Ukrainians keep asking for artillery more than anything else? Been saying a while now that the lack of information compared to the early months of the war isn't because people are bored it's because Ukraine is no longer winning and it's forces are suffering every bit as much as Russia's now

Russia seems to have a different reason for the withdrawal.

[1andrew1]

I think Russia is making a virtue out of a necessity.

Since when did Russia start making "goodwill" gestures

Still - heres and idea for one they could make - pull out of Ukraine.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Since when did Russia start making "goodwill" gestures

Still - heres and idea for one they could make - pull out of Ukraine.

[pip08456]

Lavrov leaves G20 summit due to boycott, - Der Spiegel.

The foreign ministers of the G20 countries at the Indonesian summit decided to ignore Lavrov. First, the diplomats refused to take a photo with him, and then the ministers of the G7 countries missed the official dinner.

https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/st...16656808853504

BREAKING: The White House said it believes Russia is turning to Iran to provide it with “hundreds” of unmanned aerial vehicles, including weapons-capable drones, for use in its ongoing invasion of Ukraine. - Associated Press.

BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit Iran next week to attend a trilateral meeting with the leaders of Iran and Turkey.

Putin’s planned trip comes amid U.S. concerns that Teheran may provide Moscow with drones for its war on Ukraine. His visit will follow U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Israel and Saudi Arabia this week for discussions on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. - Associated Press.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit Iran next week to attend a trilateral meeting with the leaders of Iran and Turkey.

Putin’s planned trip comes amid U.S. concerns that Teheran may provide Moscow with drones for its war on Ukraine. His visit will follow U.S. President Joe Biden’s trip to Israel and Saudi Arabia this week for discussions on Iran’s nuclear ambitions. - Associated Press.

We're sleepwalking into a wider conflict here. NATO supporting and arming Ukraine. Iran, China supporting/ financing Russia.

5 months into the war, with no sign of it ending. This will carry on, possibly, well into next year, maybe beyond that.

[jfman]

I don’t think NATO are sleepwalking this proxy war is by design although they’d never be open with the public about it. Agree 100% on the rest of your post tho.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We're sleepwalking into a wider conflict here. NATO supporting and arming Ukraine. Iran, China supporting/ financing Russia.

5 months into the war, with no sign of it ending. This will carry on, possibly, well into next year, maybe beyond that.

There's no sleepwalking happening. Arming Ukraine to win can only happen when Ukrainian troops have been trained to use the weapons they are being supplied with.
Up to 10,000 Ukrainian troops will be trained in the UK on different weaponry and basic training, I should imagine the number in the US is far higher. Other NATO Country's are likely playing their part too.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/firs...-for-training/

I can't see it extended beyond Ukraine. I also can't see what is it in for China to fund Russia's war when Russia's resources become strained.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t think NATO are sleepwalking this proxy war is by design although they’d never be open with the public about it. Agree 100% on the rest of your post tho.

All Russia need to do to stop this is not invade another country. We're not marching into Russia when this is done. This could all be over if they stopped.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

There's no sleepwalking happening. Arming Ukraine to win can only happen when Ukrainian troops have been trained to use the weapons they are being supplied with.
Up to 10,000 Ukrainian troops will be trained in the UK on different weaponry and basic training, I should imagine the number in the US is far higher. Other NATO Country's are likely playing their part too.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/firs...-for-training/

Lets be honest, they stopped them advancing with their own weapons when the west gave them three days max before being overwhelmed, now they've turned it into one of those horrific wars of attrition with the average to low grade weaponary we've supplied, they quite possibly will win when they are given hi grade weapons, bit of a race against time though to get them trained before the Russian terror tactics start working on the population, bomb shopping centres, schools, power plants well out of the way of fighting in the hope enough of the population demand the war stops, it worked in Syria

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Originally Posted by Damien

I can't see it extended beyond Ukraine. I also can't see what is it in for China to fund Russia's war when Russia's resources become strained.

While the world's gaze is away they are up to all sorts, hoovering up all the fish in the pacific, creating islands and claiming territory, not to mention they're seeing if the wests hearts in it, if we can't handle rising energy prices how will we support a war to defend Taiwan