Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It's the changing of stories, repeated lies, call if what you will, that wore a great deal of people's patience down with Boris, culminating in his own party turning against him for the same reasons.

The only person responsible for Boris's downfall, is Boris himself.

Boris should be remembered as the PM who got the BIG decisions right (Brexit, COVID, Ukraine) and the little things wrong (wallpaper, having a morale-boosting drink with his staff). This tried the patience of those who were looking to stab him in the back but there is no significant evidence that those who voted for him have lost faith.

TV is powerful propaganda.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Or a case of 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' .

We all get a good write up from the ex, never any animosity or back stabbing

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We’ve been through all that, jfman.

In a very unsatisfactory manner, yes indeed we have.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Boris should be remembered as the PM who got the BIG decisions right (Brexit, COVID, Ukraine) and the little things wrong (wallpaper, having a morale-boosting drink with his staff). This tried the patience of those who were looking to stab him in the back but there is no significant evidence that those who voted for him have lost faith.

TV is powerful propaganda.

He got BIG decisions wrong as well though... it may well have been a morale-boosting drink as you say, but at the time, it was against the law, and ,he was fined accordingly. His decision making process with regards to Chris Pincher was atrocious. AGAIN it was the attempts af subverting the truth that is the bigger issue that seems to have caused his downfall

Brexit - in my belief, still has major issues that need to be resolved, personally, i don't consider it a great success yet (I honestly don't think it will be a success at all, however, I hope it is.)
COVID - i don't see how he handled it any better than most other countries
Ukraine - He has made the calls on that absolutely right.

[Pierre]

His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

All we have to look forward to now is years of trying to become some kind of quasi-member of the EU.

Let’s just see how the negotiations on the N.I. Protocol, metamorphise into a bigger discussion on the single market…………

Originally Posted by Pierre

His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

Well he sure made it easy for them then by constantly screwing up.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

All we have to look forward to now is years of trying to become some kind of quasi-member of the EU.

Let’s just see how the negotiations on the N.I. Protocol, metamorphise into a bigger discussion on the single market…………

That's actually a very salient point. Regardless of individuals position on Brexit, it would have been a poisoned chalice for whomever had to deliver/partially deliver it.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

He got BIG decisions wrong as well though... it may well have been a morale-boosting drink as you say, but at the time, it was against the law, and ,he was fined accordingly. His decision making process with regards to Chris Pincher was atrocious. AGAIN it was the attempts af subverting the truth that is the bigger issue that seems to have caused his downfall

Brexit - in my belief, still has major issues that need to be resolved, personally, i don't consider it a great success yet (I honestly don't think it will be a success at all, however, I hope it is.)
COVID - i don't see how he handled it any better than most other countries
Ukraine - He has made the calls on that absolutely right.

No point arguing the toss; let’s agree to disagree. I know that I would be happy for Boris to still be PM, no Minister gets everything right all of the time, and IMO, his contribution far outweighs his shortcomings. Thankfully, his successor will be from the same Party.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

No fines for beergate what a farce, I demand a reinvestigation.

Cleared once, investigation reopened, cleared a second time. This was the reinvestigation

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Cleared once, investigation reopened, cleared a second time. This was the reinvestigation

Then the police want investigating.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Boris should be remembered as the PM who got the BIG decisions right (Brexit, COVID, Ukraine) and the little things wrong (wallpaper, having a morale-boosting drink with his staff). This tried the patience of those who were looking to stab him in the back but there is no significant evidence that those who voted for him have lost faith.

TV is powerful propaganda.

I’ll remind:

1. He tried to change the rules so that Owen Paterson could get away with it;

2. He lied over the Pincher business;’

3. He’s changing the Ministerial Code so that honesty and integrity are not a requirement.

He has no integrity.

The fact he got taken down by 'little things' isn't an injustice it's just a sign of how this was almost entirely self-inflicted. He wasn't taken down because he got into an argument with his party over the direction of Brexit, or the economy or COVID.

He was taken down by arrogance and lack of attention to detail. If he had considered that holding parties during a lockdown wouldn't look good, if he thought that he shouldn't really change the rules to get his mate off the hook, if he hadn't hired someone with sexual assault allegations against him and most of all if he hadn't pointlessly lied about these things only to be caught out then he wouldn't have needed to resign. Remainers didn't make him do those things. Remainers don't have the powerbase within the Tory Party to seriously challenge him.

If Johnson has any capacity for self-reflection he might one day regret how pointlessly he squandered a large majority on these issues rather than on anything ambitious. Most PMs go because they picked a battle they ultimately couldn't win. Johnson just shot himself in the foot for nothing.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Boris should be remembered as the PM who got the BIG decisions right (Brexit, COVID, Ukraine) and the little things wrong (wallpaper, having a morale-boosting drink with his staff). This tried the patience of those who were looking to stab him in the back but there is no significant evidence that those who voted for him have lost faith.

TV is powerful propaganda.

I think propaganda could reasonably describe the notion he got these big decisions right. Brexit achieved with little consideration to solving the details, higher Covid deaths per capita than some countries, weaker economic recovery. Ukraine? I’m not sure he’s done anything that couldn’t reasonably be achieved by an average politician desperately seeking a good news story to deflect from domestic problems.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why do you keep asking for links then?

Speculation should be permitted on any discussion forum, but not at the expense of the truth as they see it.

Because you get made up Twitter crap/rumour, like the one about Sir Keir being fined and appealing a few pages ago.
Sir K has been rightly been cleared I'm sure you'll be delighted to know.

[jfman]

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I look forward to all these Tories telling us about fixing our broken economy and levelling up the UK. If only they’d told any of the previous four Chancellors.