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1andrew1 · 19-05-2022, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Chris

Why? As far as I can see, they have only drawn a line under their investigations around Downing Street.

I'm thinking that clearly the police are understandably working to a strong evidence level if Johnson just received one fine. Something like 1 fine for every 20 gatherings or something similar?

If he'd received a fine for every event then I think the chances of Starmer being fined would be a lot higher.

I know it's different police force but I'm sure the two forces will speak for consistency.

I have no skin in the game on this apart from predicting that Starmer won't get fined. If he does I won't lose any sleep over it.

Pierre · 19-05-2022, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Chris

Why? As far as I can see, they have only drawn a line under their investigations around Downing Street.

it's not even the Met investigating Starmer

1andrew1 · 19-05-2022, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre

it's not even the Met investigating Starmer

I proactively addressed that point.

**Damien** · 19-05-2022, 15:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm thinking that clearly the police are understandably working to a strong evidence level if Johnson just received one fine. Something like 1 fine for every 20 gatherings or something similar?

If he'd received a fine for every event then I think the chances of Starmer being fined would be a lot higher.

I know it's different police force but I'm sure the two forces will speak for consistency.

I have no skin in the game on this apart from predicting that Starmer won't get fined. If he does I won't lose any sleep over it.

Only thing with this is they've given Johnson a fine for the least 'dodgy' action. The cake in the meeting room. The bring your own bottle thing seemed worse to me, although maybe he wasn't involved enough for the police to issue a fine.

jonbxx · 19-05-2022, 16:13

Maybe politics has made me too cynical these days but the way the statement today seems to have worded is a little opaque here;

Reuters;

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Johnson's spokesman said police had confirmed that the prime minister would not receive any further fines.

Daily Mail;

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The Met has confirmed they are taking no further action against the Prime Minister...

It's not a redundant question to ask here exactly how many fines Boris Johnson got as those statements seem to be more forward looking than back. My initial thought was the statement seems to say the investigation is now closed and no more fines would be issued which is what you would expect if the investigation was now finished.

If the first statement said 'Johnson's spokesman said police had confirmed that the prime minister did not receive any further fines', that is a different thing altogether

Maybe I am too jaded in my old age...

OLD BOY · 19-05-2022, 20:29

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I hope he only has the one fine - our country has been made to look ridiculous with 126 fines at No 10 as it is.

As others have noted, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom broke a law that he himself read out on a national televised address.

For the first time in this country's history, we have a law-breaker as our chief law-maker.

Johnson should resign for breaking his own law.

If all he did was unwittingly get ambushed with a cake between meetings, it shows this whole thing against the PM to be the nonsense that it is.

The Gray report will be interesting. This should reveal how much, if anything, the PM knew about the other goings-on.

News reports are saying this should keep his MPs on side if that’s all he got fined for.

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Carrie Johnson has no more fines.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...d5096bf59fdcdf

And you were so sure she was having an Abba party at their flat. Do you see now why I said you should wait for the evidence? Allegations are not proof until they are tested with all the evidence.

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I think the Met's decision today should finally dampen the hopes of the Daily Mail and anyone else expecting to see a fine head in Starmer's direction.

Don’t see how you work that out. Boris was at back to back meetings when that cake unexpectedly arrived, so it should have been regarded overall as a work event. Starmer’s booze-up, however, was after the END of the working day, and they got sloshed, according to reports I have seen. However, they are allegations at present, so we will wait and see what the investigation reveals.

Sephiroth · 19-05-2022, 20:31

We'll have to see what the Sue Gray report says.

OLD BOY · 19-05-2022, 20:33

Indeed.

papa smurf · 19-05-2022, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We'll have to see what the Sue Gray report says.

It's irrelevant now bojo's in the clear, he apologised for being ambushed with a cake, all's good.

Sephiroth · 19-05-2022, 20:42

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It's irrelevant now bojo's in the clear, he apologised for being ambushed with a cake, all's good.

Hardly the point, now, Papa!

papa smurf · 19-05-2022, 20:48

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Hardly the point, now, Papa!

What is the point ?

Sephiroth · 19-05-2022, 20:52

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What is the point ?

My good friend OB!

**Paul** · 19-05-2022, 22:06

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

For the first time in this country's history, we have a law-breaker as our chief law-maker.

I seriously doubt thats even remotely true.

Mr K · 19-05-2022, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Paul

I seriously doubt thats even remotely true.

It is according to the police.

TheDaddy · 19-05-2022, 22:17

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's irrelevant now bojo's in the clear, he apologised for being ambushed with a cake, all's good.

In the clear for lying to Parliament to?