Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Originally Posted by ianch99

How is Starmer "corrupt"?

And how does Starmer's qualities determine how the Tories are fit for office? As I said, industrial scale whataboutery ...

Like hell it is. This thread isn’t about Tory fitness for office.

It’s about Partygate and Beergate.

That said, you’re querying about Starmer corruption, Are you joking ?

This is easy. He propped up Corbyn, for PM, who did very little, that I recall to curb Antisemitic traits within Labour, as well as being a Putin apologist.

Not to mention - He’s told several different versions of Beergate Night.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Like hell it is. This thread isn’t about Tory fitness for office.

It’s about Partygate and Beergate.

That said, you’re querying about Starmer corruption, Are you joking ?

This is easy. He propped up Corbyn, for PM, who did very little, that I recall to curb Antisemitic traits within Labour, as well as being a Putin apologist.

Not to mention - He’s told several different versions of Beergate Night.

So no evidence then. Got it ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

So no evidence then. Got it ..

The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.

I think it's less a case of Boris was - and more a case of Boris still is - the subject of criminal investigation.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

The evidence is, he’s now under criminal investigation, like Boris was, I don’t apologise that you hate this fact.

Why does that make him corrupt?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think it's less a case of Boris was - and more a case of Boris still is - the subject of criminal investigation.

Correct, my bad, but which leader stood on his high horse calling on the other to resign, when a criminal investigation was launched?

Need a reminder?



This is before any conclusion & fine was on its way to Johnson. Now that the above hypocrite, is now under criminal investigation, why hasn’t he resigned, a precedent, he himself set?

Originally Posted by ianch99

Why does that make him corrupt?

I answered that posts ago.

You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

I answered that posts ago.

You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?

Cosying up to Putin? Isn't there a former leader of the free world you should also be calling corrupt then? He thinks Putin's a 'smart guy'....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I answered that posts ago.

You don’t think Starmer propping up Corbyn to be PM was a problem, given Corbyn’s stance against NATO but equally cosying up to Putin, not in the slightest bit corrupt?

By that argument, Nigel Farage must be corrupt then. He followed Putin's line in blaming NATO and the EU for the invasion of Ukraine and has even said he admired Putin as an operator.

Sources:
2022: Nato has poked the Russian bear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc
2014: Debate over Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

How is Starmer "corrupt"?

And how does Starmer's qualities determine how the Tories are fit for office? As I said, industrial scale whataboutery ...

I fell off my chair at “not an effective communicator”.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

By that argument, Nigel Farage must be corrupt then. He followed Putin's line in blaming NATO and the EU for the invasion of Ukraine and has even said he admired Putin as an operator.

Sources:
2022: Nato has poked the Russian bear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc
2014: Debate over Crimea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A93xABm2JQc

Your obsession with Farage, is pathetic, I’m not sure why you bring him up with me, I’m not a follower of him, nor he’s he a politician or a current leader of either the largest parties.

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Originally Posted by jfman

I fell off my chair at “not an effective communicator”.

Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Cosying up to Putin? Isn't there a former leader of the free world you should also be calling corrupt then? He thinks Putin's a 'smart guy'....

You’re another one obsessed with the past, move on FFS. You’re becoming very boring, bringing up the same shit, Mr K.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.

Bad policies?

I know it's difficult to grasp viewing everything through the prism of Brexit and therefore the Government can do wrong whether lying, corruption, failure to tackle the cost of living crisis. However if Labour don't put up an alternative policy platform, or at best "slightly less shit and less corrupt then the Tories" it'll be consistently rejected.

A £10 minimum wage in 2025 when it's currently £9.50 isn't a compelling alternative. Far from being an ineffective communicator I'd go so far as to say Sir Kier is a very effective communicator. So effective the fact the party have no ideas is transparent to everyone.

It then becomes easy for the Tories and right wing press to bog him down in culture wars - discussing whether women have penises or refugees to Rwanda is a good idea or not. They neither heat the house or put food on the table.

Originally Posted by Mick

Explain the dire local election results then for Labour, let’s see “if falling off your chair”, recovered at least some applicable intelligence.

I mean 'dire' is very much spin though isn't it? It's slightly better than 2018 overall which is when Labour had polling numbers consistent with their 2017 election performance. Which is quite a recovery from 2019.

It's not amazing, it's not great. But it's not bad either. It's a decent performance. Especially in the context of where they've come from.

Sigh! I see the discussion hasn't moved along.
Anyway the Tories attack on Starmer is a mistake because it keeps everyone's mind firmly on what preceded that. Not much point in kicking it into the long grass if you keep getting the strimmer out to find specific targets that suit your agenda.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Sigh! I see the discussion hasn't moved along.
Anyway the Tories attack on Starmer is a mistake because it keeps everyone's mind firmly on what preceded that. Not much point in kicking it into the long grass if you keep getting the strimmer out to find specific targets that suit your agenda.

Johnson is toast anyway. It’s a case of keeping Labour in chaos chasing their tail until the Tories find a new leader since Crown Prince Sunak cocked it up.