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1andrew1 · 16-05-2022, 11:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don’t think that the rule makers ever thought that a cake on its own represented a social event. The Met have got it wrong.

I don't know why you keep going on about cake. The Met deemed this event a social one and with his wife and interior designer there, Johnson evidently agreed and paid the fine. And he's the rule-maker.

As a reminder, the birthday party was held in 2020 hence during far stricter lock down laws than Beergate.

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You must have a lot of faith in the police to say that. A court is the judge of whether or not you are innocent and I have no doubt they would come to a different conclusion on the cake incident.

Johnson evidently disagrees that the courts would have found differently as he paid the fine and didn't dispute it.

I'm disappointed you're adopting such a woke approach to Robert Peel's finest.

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It's not a hard call at all. The hard call is trying to justify why Boris got a fine and Sir Kier didn't.

I wouldn't like to be the one explaining that one, because it's just so obviously wrong.

The hard call I was referencing was clearly around around alcohol consumption.

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What's a reasonable amount of alcohol to be able to continue work? I would probably cap it at two beers but if it turned out to be three beers each would the police start to get that judgmental? It's a hard call!

Sephiroth · 16-05-2022, 12:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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BJ may still be found to have breached the law in relation to other incidents still to be judged, but it would be jumping the gun to accuse him of blatantly and deliberately breaking the rules as some have claimed.

Carelessly breaking the rules doesn't put Boris in a good light eithet, OB.

**Chris** · 16-05-2022, 12:49

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't know why you keep going on about cake.

Because he’s lost the argument on the basis of the facts. His only recourse (given his basic inability ever to admit to being wrong about anything) is therefore to change the facts so that he’s right.

Therefore in OB’s head the only available, relevant information is the cake, which may be portrayed as an absurd basis for a fine so long as it is isolated from all the other evidence (e.g. the presence of other people who clearly had nothing to do with his work).

1andrew1 · 16-05-2022, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Carelessly breaking the rules doesn't put Boris in a good light either, OB.

Indeed - Johnson either didn't understand the rules he made or just ignored them. This demonstrates to me why he's not appropriate for the job of PM.

Sephiroth · 16-05-2022, 13:03

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Indeed - Johnson either didn't understand the rules he made or just ignored them. This demonstrates to me why he's not appropriate for the job of PM.

Oh - there's much more including:

* "There will be no border in the Irish sea" - liar.
* "We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance." - liar.
* Attempt to save Owen Paterson from suspension - sleaze.
* Partygate - either liar or brash fool.
* International buffoon.

tweetiepooh · 16-05-2022, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

* "We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance." - liar.

This one is always tricky for any party. The situation we are now in is so different when the statement was made it's hard to see how the "promise" could be kept and not drive the nation into bankruptcy.

**Maggy** · 16-05-2022, 13:57

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think the PM had some serious stuff to deal with and was unaware of what was going on behind his back.

Thus far, he has received a fine because a cake arrived in the room where he had arrived for a meeting. Let’s see what else transpires before we start judging him against Cummings’ allegations.

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I don’t think that the rule makers ever thought that a cake on its own represented a social event. The Met have got it wrong.

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You must have a lot of faith in the police to say that. A court is the judge of whether or not you are innocent and I have no doubt they would come to a different conclusion on the cake incident.

BJ may still be found to have breached the law in relation to other incidents still to be judged, but it would be jumping the gun to accuse him of blatantly and deliberately breaking the rules as some have claimed.

I NEVER mentioned cake. You have a Marie Antoinette obsession with cake.However everything I accuse the PM and his government STILL stands.

**Mick** · 16-05-2022, 14:06

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Indeed - Johnson either didn't understand the rules he made or just ignored them. This demonstrates to me why he's not appropriate for the job of PM.

Keir Starmer would be just as shit, given the LIES he and Labour have told over beergate.

1andrew1 · 16-05-2022, 14:08

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

This one is always tricky for any party. The situation we are now in is so different when the statement was made it's hard to see how the "promise" could be kept and not drive the nation into bankruptcy.

I've some sympathy for Johnson on this point too although I think the NI hike might tip us towards recession.

I would swap it out for PPE scandal.

**Mick** · 16-05-2022, 14:11

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I've some sympathy for Johnson on this point too although I think the NI hike might tip us towards recession.

I would swap it out for PPE scandal.

Just as bad as Labours Cash for Honours scandal.

Like I said, Labour are just as bad but more useless.

1andrew1 · 16-05-2022, 14:19

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Keir Starmer would be just as shit, given the LIES he and Labour have told over beergate.

Johnson should be benchmarked against those who are likely to step into his shoes if he is forced to resign due to Partygate That won't be Starmer as there won't be a general election.

Any transgressions which Starner may or may not have done do not make Johnson a suitable Prime Minister.

Pierre · 16-05-2022, 14:40

Sad that the argument is that Kier is less shit than Johnson. What a lucky electorate we are!

1andrew1 · 16-05-2022, 14:51

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Sad that the argument is that Kier is less shit than Johnson. What a lucky electorate we are!

No one seems to be making that argument on here though.

But as I think Damien has said, you vote against who you don't want, not who you want. Before we beat politicians up too much on this, I guess that's a function of the first past the post voting system.

**Maggy** · 16-05-2022, 14:55

[QUOTE=1andrew1;36122539]Johnson should be benchmarked against those who are likely to step into his shoes if he is forced to resign due to Partygate That won't be Starmer as there won't be a general election.

Any transgressions which Starner may or may not have done do not make Johnson a suitable Prime Minister.

papa smurf · 16-05-2022, 15:31

Keir Starmer forced into HUGE U-turn - Labour leader hints he'll quit even if NOT fined
SIR KEIR STARMER has pledged to quit as Labour leader if he is found to have "done something wrong" by the police, rather than just if he is fined.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nd-rule-breach

I'm starting to get the feeling he doesn't want the job