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29-04-2022, 17:05
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
I just want there to be a Mexican stand-off between Boris and Starmer - both fined and agonising on how not to fall on their swords.
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29-04-2022, 17:28
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
Written in black and white:
Keyword: “Outdoors”.
I’m all for Boris getting fined and potentially facing removal, but when you break the rules, once, twice or more, and then attack others, call on them to resign, they need to follow their own advice.
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29-04-2022, 18:13
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by Mick
Written in black and white:
Keyword: “Outdoors”.
I’m all for Boris getting fined and potentially facing removal, but when you break the rules, once, twice or more, and then attack others, call on them to resign, they need to follow their own advice.
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Campaigning outdoors refers to knocking on doors, stalls in the street etc.
Starmer and co were working indoors with a break for food and drink as restaurants and pubs were closed.
The legislation does not require them to do that outside.
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I just want there to be a Mexican stand-off between Boris and Starmer - both fined and agonising on how not to fall on their swords.
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Would have been amusing if it had been that way with perhaps Sturgeon and Macron doing something similar for good measure... but it's not turned out that way. 
The Sue Gray Report will decapitate Johnson, no falling on swords required there.
Despite Operation Save 5 May, all the false equivalence mustered by the Daily Mail can't overturn the fact that Starmer was investigated and cleared. I contend that the British public are generally clever enough to see through the Mail's disinformation as they have been with Putin's.
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29-04-2022, 18:32
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Campaigning outdoors refers to knocking on doors, stalls in the street etc.
Starmer and co were working indoors with a break for food and drink as restaurants and pubs were closed.
The legislation does not require them to do that outside.
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It was not allowed. Mixing with other households, indoors was prohibited. They were not working, having a beer is not working. They traveled to Durham, so wasn’t his regular working office and now they admit: after lying, that Rayner was now there. Says a lot when even HIGNFY just pissed on Labour’s chips for their disgraceful hypocrisy.
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29-04-2022, 18:54
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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It was not allowed. Mixing with other households, indoors was prohibited. They were not working, having a beer is not working. They traveled to Durham, so wasn’t his regular working office and now they admit: after lying, that Rayner was now there. Says a lot when even HIGNFY just pissed on Labour’s chips for their disgraceful hypocrisy.
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Seems to be one rule for Tories and a different one for all the rest . Here in red Wales , the labour leader screams break the law and resign , member of his government breaks it I think 3 times but that's ok as she paid the fines 
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29-04-2022, 18:58
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Originally Posted by Mick
It was not allowed. Mixing with other households, indoors was prohibited. They were not working, having a beer is not working. They traveled to Durham, so wasn’t his regular working office and now they admit: after lying, that Rayner was now there. Says a lot when even HIGNFY just pissed on Labour’s chips for their disgraceful hypocrisy.
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I agree that Labour were incorrect in stating that Rayner was not there but I believe that's the only thing they did wrong. So fair cop for HIGNFY to call them out on this.
But it's important to know that that they were in Durham to manage a campaign and thus were allowed to eat and drink together...as all other workplaces at that time were allowed to do too.
It shouldn't be forgotten that this was 2021 and not 2020. At the time, the tabloids were complaining that not enough people were returning to their offices!
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29-04-2022, 19:05
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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I agree that Labour were incorrect in stating that Rayner was not there but I believe that's the only thing they did wrong. So fair cop for HIGNFY to call them out on this.
But it's important to know that that they were in Durham to manage a campaign and thus were allowed to eat and drink together...as all other workplaces at that time were allowed to do too.
It shouldn't be forgotten that this was 2021 and not 2020. At the time, the tabloids were complaining that not enough people were returning to their offices!
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No they were not allowed to eat and drink together at all. You would make an horrible legal analyst Andrew. Labour broke the rules.
Read them.
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29-04-2022, 19:36
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Seems to be one rule for Tories and a different one for all the rest . Here in red Wales , the labour leader screams break the law and resign , member of his government breaks it I think 3 times but that's ok as she paid the fines |
How is that different from those at No 10 paying their fines?
In my view, any MP who broke a law they made/urged others to follow should step down. That's irrespective of which party they belong to and irrespective of a war in Ukraine.
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No they were not allowed to eat and drink together at all. You would make an horrible legal analyst Andrew. Labour broke the rules.
Read them.
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Legal analysts/lawyers/police have doubtless gone through all the relevant documents - and not just this one - and found Starmer innocent.
I can't see why they would all put their reputations on the line and make such conclusions if they hadn't done their homework thoroughly. I think we might be heading into conspiracy theory territory here.
However, if you're right, fantastic, always good to see lawyers taken down a peg or two.
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29-04-2022, 19:41
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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How is that different from those at No 10 paying their fines?
In my view, any MP who broke a law they made/urged others to follow should step down. That's irrespective of which party they belong to and irrespective of a war in Ukraine.
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Legal analysts/lawyers/police have doubtless gone through all the relevant documents - and not just this one - and found Starmer innocent.
I can't see why they would all put their reputations on the line and make such conclusions if they hadn't done their homework thoroughly. I think we might be heading into conspiracy theory territory here. |
Absolute bollocks and you know it.
Then why the hell are they re-looking at Starmers lockdown beer Durham case again?
You’re being pathetically obtuse, they broke the rules-end of.
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29-04-2022, 19:52
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Absolute bollocks and you know it.
Then why the hell are they re-looking at Starmers lockdown beer Durham case again?
You’re being pathetically obtuse, they broke the rules-end of.
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https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ckdown-breach/
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DURHAM Constabulary has confirmed it is NOT currently re-investigating allegations Keir Starmer broke lockdown rules, amid ongoing suggestions from a Tory MP that it was considering reopening the case.
The force has moved to clarify its position after issuing a statement on Wednesday in response to North West Durham MP Richard Holden’s claim on Twitter, which was widely reported in the national news.
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Late on Thursday, a spokeswoman for Durham Constabulary told The Northern Echo: “Earlier this year, Durham Constabulary undertook a review of video footage recorded in Durham on April 30, 2021.
“In February, we stated that we did not believe an offence has been established in relation to the legislation and guidance in place at the time the footage was taken and would therefore take no further action in relation to the matter.
“We have since received further communications on this subject and will now consider the content of those communications and respond in due course.
“For clarity, Durham Constabulary is not currently investigating this incident.”
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29-04-2022, 19:55
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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No they were not allowed to eat and drink together at all. You would make an horrible legal analyst Andrew. Labour broke the rules.
Read them.
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Seems pretty clear.
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29-04-2022, 20:01
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Not an authentic news outlet, don’t trust the source. Try Googling harder. 
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Seems pretty clear.
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It is absolutely clear, but the Labour luvvies in this thread are blind to the facts that the rules were clear, Boris got caught out, only fair that when Labour’s rank hypocrisy stinks, when they’re clearly just as guilty of lying and breaking lockdown rules, they get called out as well.
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29-04-2022, 20:22
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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Not an authentic news outlet, don’t trust the source. Try Googling harder. |
What’s not authentic about a long-established regional newspaper? You can be assured that their reporters have better contacts inside their local police force than anyone on any national title.
Having trained, qualified and worked in regional news I ought to be offended.
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29-04-2022, 20:22
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
[QUOTE=1andrew1;36120512]How is that different from those at No 10 paying their fines? :
exactly my point . Need to ask the Labour leader right load of bs was his answer . "She paid the fines end of the matter . " Or words to that effect but a lot more 
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29-04-2022, 20:29
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Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
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What’s not authentic about a long-established regional newspaper? You can be assured that their reporters have better contacts inside their local police force than anyone on any national title.
Having trained, qualified and worked in regional news I ought to be offended. |
It was a slant on Hugh to be better at googling. There has to be a better news source than a regional unheard of outlet.
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