Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Trouble is - who? Those on manoeuvres are none-of-the-above to me.

I'm not ready to lose that buffoon. How strange?

You and 1000 ex councillors will probably be ready to get rid of him in a few weeks .... Personally I hope he stays till the next GE

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Trouble is - who? Those on manoeuvres are none-of-the-above to me.

Gove is who they suggested.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think there's plenty of people £50+ worse off who would have been grateful for your legal advices on how to avoid paying their fines but have coughed up in apparent ignorance.

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A realistic Conservative like many I chatted to over Easter wanted Johnson gone when the parties first came out. Even more so now as the goodwill over Ukraine would belong to a new Conservative PM on the ascent and not Johnson on his way out.

I hoped Boris would bring Brexit to a conclusion with more decisiveness than May was prepared to offer. He did, and I’m thankful for that. He does not, however, deserve my blind loyalty. Ultimately I wish to see a broadly right of centre government in this country and in the long run a Tory leader who can’t respect laws he wrote or the parliament he’s accountable to, lessens the chances of that continuing.

Originally Posted by Chris

I hoped Boris would bring Brexit to a conclusion with more decisiveness than May was prepared to offer. He did, and I’m thankful for that. He does not, however, deserve my blind loyalty. Ultimately I wish to see a broadly right of centre government in this country and in the long run a Tory leader who can’t respect laws he wrote or the parliament he’s accountable to, lessens the chances of that continuing.

QFT

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I hoped Boris would bring Brexit to a conclusion with more decisiveness than May was prepared to offer. He did, and I’m thankful for that. He does not, however, deserve my blind loyalty. Ultimately I wish to see a broadly right of centre government in this country and in the long run a Tory leader who can’t respect laws he wrote or the parliament he’s accountable to, lessens the chances of that continuing.

Those not hanging onto Johnson's every word acknowledge that the longer he remains in power, the sooner Labour gets into power.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Gove is who they suggested.

Not popular in the grass roots -so far as I can fathom.

But you could be right - a top conspiracy to have all the other candidates drop out so that there's no membership vote. I can see that happening.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh definitely




Loyal to whom?

At 68 yrs of age I've probably voted 5 times maximum . . . the ones I can remember:
Way back in the common market vote (against)
Once in local elections for BNP as a 'protest' vote
Once for Conservatives I think (can't remember why though)
Once for leaving the EU

There might be a 5th, there might not be. There are people though who loyally vote for a party because their family have always done so . . although is that loyalty to family or party?

I'm pretty much the same as you Carth 66 yo and only voted twice.

Way back on the Common Market vote (against) and once again on leaving. hence why I don't give a toss on the petty argument about people who have been working closely together 8hrs a day having a drink together.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not popular in the grass roots -so far as I can fathom.

But you could be right - a top conspiracy to have all the other candidates drop out so that there's no membership vote. I can see that happening.

For the record, I can't take the credit, it's what my friends said. I'm as confounded as you on it!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Trouble is - who? Those on manoeuvres are none-of-the-above to me.

I'm not ready to lose that buffoon. How strange?

The Tories have decent candidates it's just they're not talked about. Jeremy Hunt has generally been seen to have done well as a Minister and has decent media appearances. Gove also has a good reputation as being competent.

The Tories have a weird obsession with Liz Truss though now that Sunak is out. I think they're learning the wrong lessons from America and leaning too much into the culture war issues rather than economics though. Recently they seem to want to talk about trans people and Channel 4 rather than the cost of living.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Tories have decent candidates it's just they're not talked about. Jeremy Hunt has generally been seen to have done well as a Minister and has decent media appearances. Gove also has a good reputation as being competent.

The Tories have a weird obsession with Liz Truss though now that Sunak is out. I think they're learning the wrong lessons from America and leaning too much into the culture war issues rather than economics though. Recently they seem to want to talk about trans people and Channel 4 rather than the cost of living.

Competent? You've raised the bar for applicants now!

The obsession with 'must he a Brexiteer/and or bonkers' rules out the few that do have any talent. Nadine Dorries/Priti Patel/ the 'Hon member for the 18th century' are the best they've got !

[Arthurgray50@blu]

i am so glad l have read his thread.
Lets put it this way.
The Joker laid down the law at what we should do, He broke the law, he lied to the commons, he lied to the public. Dont forget that the police are investigating further claims that he broke the law.
All his fellow jokers are taking the mick with the public by bringing in what he has achieved during the pandemic.
Thousands of the public were forced to abide by HIS decisions. Social Distance, funerals, wearing a face masks, lockdown.

Yet, he was involved in parties etc etc.
He should resign today for being such a ****. He broke the law, and he probably paid the fine by the swipe of his credit card. He is a disgrace to the Tories

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

i am so glad l have read his thread.
Lets put it this way.
The Joker laid down the law at what we should do, He broke the law, he lied to the commons, he lied to the public. Dont forget that the police are investigating further claims that he broke the law.
All his fellow jokers are taking the mick with the public by bringing in what he has achieved during the pandemic.
Thousands of the public were forced to abide by HIS decisions. Social Distance, funerals, wearing a face masks, lockdown.

Yet, he was involved in parties etc etc.
He should resign today for being such a ****. He broke the law, and he probably paid the fine by the swipe of his credit card. He is a disgrace to the Tories

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it comes out that one of his rich chums picked up the fines for him and Carrie.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it comes out that one of his rich chums picked up the fines for him and Carrie.

I think his friends' assets are a bit cold at the moment.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think his friends' assets are a bit cold at the moment.

Let it go!

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Unless, of course, the Met have got it wrong…again.

This really is a petty matter and not deserving of the huge amount of fuss that has been generated. To refer to a presentation of a birthday cake in a 9-minute break between work events as a party is pretty OTT and shows how desperate people are to push out of office the one man that people agreed could get Brexit done and get this country up and running…and prevent the Labour Party from getting back into power.

I say to those people, enjoy the moment, because it will soon pass and you will be back to square one. Brexit has happened, Covid is all but thwarted, the killjoy scientists are vanquished, parties are back on the to-do list and all is getting back to normal.

And thank God for that.

The nature of the crime is not the issue here, it was the response to it. It seems like Boris Johnsons response to all of this is that he didn't understand the rules which throws in to question his competence and governance. He stood in front of TV cameras and told us all the rules but seemingly didn't understand them himself. That is worrying when he is supposedly in charge of the country.

The other possibility is that he did understand the rules and didn't care and tried to cover it up. That would suggest that the rules are for us and not for him which is incredibly arrogant.

Boris Johnson is either not competent to lead the country or hold such disrespect for the public and Parliament that he shouldn't lead. This has nothing to do with Brexit, COVID or anything else, it's about the person we trust to lead the country. If they are not fit to lead, they should go.