Russia has invaded Ukraine

Originally Posted by ianch99

I don't know why you are focussing on Pie, he is a non-entity. Farage, in contrast, was named in Parliament today as receiving £548,573 in 2018 alone from the Russian Govt funded Russia Today. No wonder Lord Haw Haw is trending ..

Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.

[Pierre]

whilst I do not think it has been easy in any way for Putin, I look at those numbers and think I would need a bucket of salt to swallow them.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.

Over half a million in 2018 alone, how many appearances did he make? Wonder what the others in actual parliament got, call me dave was excusing tennis matches for cash the other day but they really need to look at the full extent of this parliamentary incursion imo, root out any 5th columnists

Originally Posted by Pierre
whilst I do not think it has been easy in any way for Putin, I look at those numbers and think I would need a bucket of salt to swallow them.

What else accounts for their lack of progress, ineptitude and the weather can only account for so much. The American numbers in terms of deaths are considerably lower but actually include those injured to, which are ridiculously high

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Mick

EU revokes licenses of Russian airlines.

The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has suspended the license of dozens of Russian airlines, including Aeroflot, S7, Ural, Azur, and others. - Kyiv Independent

This won't matter, as they can just move them to a friendly country.


I worked for a cargo airline that moved from a UK register to the Belgian.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.

I don't want to take this thread off topic, but Farage has been a huge influence on British politics; he did not need to be an MP to do that.

Originally Posted by Maggy

Pie is a comedian..and a lot funnier than Farage who is the real non-entity as far as British politics go.

There's a lot of neck on the Parliamentary benches as far as Russian influence goes but at least Farage pushed himself out of the only parliament he could gain entry to.Thank heavens he never made it into the Commons or heaven knows what he would have done for Russian money to influence God knows what for Putin.

What about your buddy Corbyn, being a Putin apologist like Diane Abbott?

Regardless-I’m sure I said above Farage isn’t the topic. If people want go ahead and slander/libel themselves with unfounded accusations start up a different thread, I don’t want to read anti-Brexiteer crap, in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

This won't matter, as they can just move them to a friendly country.

I worked for a cargo airline that moved from a UK register to the Belgian.

I guess it might delay things whilst the new country processes things. I assume when your company moved registration moved to Belgium it was a scheduled move with minimum disruption; Russia is unlikely to be so lucky.

The issue with planes in Russia is what happens with those leased to Russian airplanes by the West, as they cannot be easily reclaimed.

Originally Posted by Mick

What about your buddy Corbyn, being a Putin apologist like Diane Abbott?

Regardless-I’m sure I said above Farage isn’t the topic. If people want go ahead and slander/libel themselves with unfounded accusations start up a different thread, I don’t want to read anti-Brexiteer crap, in a thread about Russia invading Ukraine.

Got any actual links and proof?

Originally Posted by Maggy

Got any actual links and proof?

Absolutely.

It was in the news weeks ago about Keir Starmer threatening 11 hard left nut job MPs who had added their name to a stop the war coalition who were blaming Britain and NATO for Russian aggression against Ukraine.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-b2025240.html

Sir Keir warned MPs on the left: “Let me be very clear – There will be no place in this party for false equivalence between the actions of Russia and the actions of Nato.”

It comes after leading left-wingers – including key shadow cabinet members during the Jeremy Corbyn-era key, John McDonnell and Diane Abbott – were threatened with the removal of the whip if their names were not taken off the Stop the War letter.

The organisation had accused the UK government of “aggressive posturing”, and said that Nato “should call a halt to its eastward expansion”.

[jonbxx]

The fact that Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn at one end of the spectrum and Nigel Farage and Arron Banks at the other are Putin apologists blaming NATO for Russias actions is a great example of the Horseshoe Theory in politics.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The fact that Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn at one end of the spectrum and Nigel Farage and Arron Banks at the other are Putin apologists blaming NATO for Russias actions is a great example of the Horseshoe Theory in politics.

I'd always thought that but never heard it was an actual 20th century theory. Thanks for sharing.

I think in the instance you share, Banks' views may be shaped more by his Russian wife and business opportunities in that country than his right-wing politics.

With regard to the FT report below

A report by the Financial Times about a proposed 15-point peace plan between Moscow and Kyiv only shows “the requesting position of the Russian side”, Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said.

Podolyak, a senior adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said Ukraine had its own requesting positions in negotiations with Russia.

“The only thing we confirm at this stage is a ceasefire, withdrawal of Russian troops and security guarantees from a number of countries,” he added.

See 16:56 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

Ukraine and Russia draw up neutrality plan to end war

Fifteen-point draft deal would involve Kyiv renouncing Nato ambitions in return for security guarantees

Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to three people involved in the talks.

The proposed deal, which Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed in full for the first time on Monday, would involve Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said.

The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour.

https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-...7-802b7fa77ef1

[pip08456]

NEW: U.S. sending 800 anti-aircraft systems, 9000 anti-armor systems (high accuracy shoulder- mounted missiles), 7000 small arms, ammo and mortars (20 million rounds), Biden announces. In one week Biden greenlit $1 billion in military assistance

Zelensky has already done his part for not joining NATO.
He keeps asking them for a no fly zone, which he knows he will never get.
As a result, he can blame NATO for not helping at all, and thus they are not really worth joining.

[pip08456]

A more detailed list of what's being sent.

Originally Posted by pip08456

NEW: U.S. sending 800 anti-aircraft systems, 9000 anti-armor systems (high accuracy shoulder- mounted missiles), 7000 small arms, ammo and mortars (20 million rounds), Biden announces. In one week Biden greenlit $1 billion in military assistance

They’re also sending an initial consignment of Switchblade loitering munitions (a.k.a. Kamikaze drones). These are very nasty indeed (if they land on you). It’s unlikely the Russians have any defence against them. They’re designed to launch from a tube and loiter over the battle space for a period of time (how long depends on which model it is, the 600 is bigger and has longer loiter time than the 300). The operator can perform target selection based on a video feed then issue the command to drop. They are too small and too fast to detect or evade. The smaller one punches like a mortar and will make mincemeat of non-armoured vehicles. The larger one may be effective against armour also.

I really wouldn’t like to be in the Russian army about now. It is looking more and more like there’s an appetite in America to use the Ukrainians to shred the Russian armed forces. Things are going to get pretty nasty for them in the coming days.