Russia has invaded Ukraine

[Sephiroth]

If Putin is terminally ill, anything could happen if he doesn't get his own way.

The claim that Putin has cancer and that his condition prompted the invasion of Ukraine was made by a senior Royal Navy admiral earlier this week.

Speaking to children at Portsmouth Grammar School on March 4, former pupil and Falklands veteran Rear Admiral Chris Parry said: “He has been using these very long tables to interview people.

“I think his immune system might be suppressed at the moment. So he is a man in a hurry."

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/...estion-3598823

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If Putin is terminally ill, anything could happen if he doesn't get his own way.

I've heard this rumour, but it is still very much a rumour

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think, taking and keeping Ukraine, will deplete Russia enough (along with the sancations) that they will take quite a long time time to re-group, possibly decades. So, I think only Ukraine will be taken in this campaign, and that may well be enough for Putin, for his Presidency. It's who comes after him and what ideas they have and in what kind of shape Russia is in, that will be the next concern. Remember Putin is 70, and although 70 is not ancient if it take 10years for Russia to recover he'll be 80 if he makes it........

I think this campaign and annexing Ukraine, will be Putins legacy.

I think this campaign will be Putin’s legacy. Annexing Ukraine will not be. Even without allowing for the evidence of the past fortnight, the Russian military doesn’t have the capacity to subdue a non-compliant population of 44 million people in a territory the size of Ukraine. Add in the many problems the Russian military clearly has, and the crippling sanctions Russia is under (which will prevent it rearming for years) and it is impossible to see Russia getting much further into the country than it is at present.

The reason Russia is destroying maternity hospitals and working up pretexts for using chemical weapons is because it has realised it cannot win a conventional military campaign in Ukraine. All it has left is a berserker strategy in which it suggests there are no lengths it will not go to in an effort to break Ukrainian morale. Putin hopes thereby to force Ukraine to capitulate.

Given that western military supplies are ramping up and the civilian population (+ foreign legion) is still being mobilised, it is less likely still that Russia can hold Ukraine even if it perpetrates enough outrages to force a surrender.

BREAKING: Zelensky signs law allowing seizure of Russian property in Ukraine.

It allows Ukraine to confiscate property that belongs to the Russian Federation or its residents without any compensation. The parliament passed it on March 3. - Kyiv Independent.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If Putin is terminally ill, anything could happen if he doesn't get his own way.

Might explain the long tables and fear of covid...

Originally Posted by Chris

I think this campaign will be Putin’s legacy. Annexing Ukraine will not be. Even without allowing for the evidence of the past fortnight, the Russian military doesn’t have the capacity to subdue a non-compliant population of 44 million people in a territory the size of Ukraine. Add in the many problems the Russian military clearly has, and the crippling sanctions Russia is under (which will prevent it rearming for years) and it is impossible to see Russia getting much further into the country than it is at present.

The reason Russia is destroying maternity hospitals and working up pretexts for using chemical weapons is because it has realised it cannot win a conventional military campaign in Ukraine. All it has left is a berserker strategy in which it suggests there are no lengths it will not go to in an effort to break Ukrainian morale. Putin hopes thereby to force Ukraine to capitulate.

Given that western military supplies are ramping up and the civilian population (+ foreign legion) is still being mobilised, it is less likely still that Russia can hold Ukraine even if it perpetrates enough outrages to force a surrender.

When does bombing ever break morale, I can't think of an occasion when it's done anything other than stiffen a populations resolve.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Might explain the long tables and fear of covid...



When does bombing ever break morale, I can't think of an occasion when it's done anything other than stiffen a populations resolve.

Hiroshima /Nagasaki

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Hiroshima /Nagasaki

Did you know Japan used biological weapons in WWII? they were even planning to attack the US mainland with the plague

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Hiroshima /Nagasaki

So effective it took two, if you were going to be clever it might been better to have gone with the Great Mesopatamian revolt of the early 1920's

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Did you know Japan used biological weapons in WWII? they were even planning to attack the US mainland with the plague

They changed plans and attacked with Honda and Toyota.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Did you know Japan used biological weapons in WWII? they were even planning to attack the US mainland with the plague

Yes they used them on the Chinese in death camps horrifically similar to nazi ones and imo because of guilt over those bombs we don't dwell to much on their existence

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think this campaign will be Putin’s legacy. Annexing Ukraine will not be. Even without allowing for the evidence of the past fortnight, the Russian military doesn’t have the capacity to subdue a non-compliant population of 44 million people in a territory the size of Ukraine. Add in the many problems the Russian military clearly has, and the crippling sanctions Russia is under (which will prevent it rearming for years) and it is impossible to see Russia getting much further into the country than it is at present.

The reason Russia is destroying maternity hospitals and working up pretexts for using chemical weapons is because it has realised it cannot win a conventional military campaign in Ukraine. All it has left is a berserker strategy in which it suggests there are no lengths it will not go to in an effort to break Ukrainian morale. Putin hopes thereby to force Ukraine to capitulate.

Given that western military supplies are ramping up and the civilian population (+ foreign legion) is still being mobilised, it is less likely still that Russia can hold Ukraine even if it perpetrates enough outrages to force a surrender.

I know this may sound crazy, but I hope you're wrong. I don't want to see Putin in a no win situation.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I know this may sound crazy, but I hope you're wrong. I don't want to see Putin in a no win situation.

I understand the sentiment, but Putin winning this would be vastly worse. The Baltics, the passage to Kaliningrad, as-yet unconquered parts of Georgia … none of these would be safe from his adventurism. The West has drawn a line in the sand here and Putin can’t be allowed to cross it, or to get away with crossing it at any rate.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I know this may sound crazy, but I hope you're wrong. I don't want to see Putin in a no win situation.

But if he gets deposed through being in a no-win situation, surely that would be a good thing? His successor couldn't be any worse.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/10/10856...n-sachs-russia

Goldman Sachs is the 1st major Wall Street bank to pull out of Russia

Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. says it's shuttering its operations in Russia, two weeks after the country first invaded Ukraine.

The move marks Wall Street's first major departure from Russia, joining a growing list of retailers, oil companies, cultural events and sporting competitions to suspend operations in the country...

… Other banks say they're working on exit strategies, too.

The Western Union Company announced on Thursday that it is suspending operations in Russia and Belarus "in light of the ongoing tragic impact of Russia's prolonged assault on Ukraine."

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

But if he gets deposed through being in a no-win situation, surely that would be a good thing? His successor couldn't be any worse.

Of course he could be worse, the Ukranians didn't think Hitler could be worse than Stalin but he just about managed it

Just seen that a rouble is worth half a penny