Russia has invaded Ukraine

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is joining the EU going to help them ?

It's not going to help them right now although it'll make pooty think he was right all along

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is joining the EU going to help them ?

Dosh for re-building?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is joining the EU going to help them ?

It’s not, but it is inviting armed conflict into the EU, which we were told many times, is the very thing the EU was devised to avoid.

The EU needs to understand it has no place in this crisis. Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Paul

How is joining the EU going to help them ?

Because it will upset Putin.

Originally Posted by Paul

How is joining the EU going to help them ?

I think it's more a statement of defiance that he can do so.

It might also be a bargaining chip for negotiation, Putin would need to show some sort of 'victory' so if Ukraine then said they are withdrawing the application that would be one thing Putin could point to doing.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s not, but it is inviting armed conflict into the EU, which we were told many times, is the very thing the EU was devised to avoid.

The EU needs to understand it has no place in this crisis. Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.

The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's more a statement of defiance that he can do so.

It might also be a bargaining chip for negotiation, Putin would need to show some sort of 'victory' so if Ukraine then said they are withdrawing the application that would be one thing Putin could point to doing.

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The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.

Excellent point. If negotiations are to end this war, like most negotiations, both sides are going to have to be allowed to claim some sort of victory.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

The EU is already in this with the supply of weapons, logistics and intelligence. Some of which is happening under the banner of the EU as opposed to the underlying member states. The EU is also coordinating sanctions.

The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.

The EU is providing some of it and member states are doing some on their own as well.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-war-coverage

Kremlin-backed television station RT could lose its licence to broadcast in the UK after media regulator Ofcom launched 15 separate investigations into its news coverage of the war in Ukraine.

Always had a dim view of RT but my anger at those British citizens that continue to be complicit in pushing the Kremins line is very high at the moment.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The EU is providing and coordinating all that, or EU member states are?

Economic sanctions, yes I can see the EU role in that. But not much else.

The EU.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/202...ne_818976.html

European Union foreign ministers agreed to send 450 million euros ($500 million) in military aid to Ukraine for lethal weapons, according to Josep Borrell, the bloc’s foreign policy chief.

The aid will be financed by the EU’s European Peace Facility and will see the bloc supply arms to a country at war for the first time in its history. Another 50 million euros will be provided for non-lethal purposes, Borrell said at a press conference in Brussels Sunday.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eur...ns-to-ukraine/

In a ‘watershed moment’ for its defence policy, the EU on Sunday (27 February) agreed to unblock some €500 million for members states to buy arms for Ukraine’s armed forces, hoping to stop Russia’s invasion.

“Another taboo has fallen these days – the taboo that the EU cannot use its resources to provide arms to a country that is being aggressed by another,” EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell said as EU foreign ministers met to green-light the unprecedented step.

EU treaties prohibit the bloc from using its regular multiannual budget to fund operations with military or defence implications.

That is why, under the unveiled plans, the EU will use an off-budget so-called ‘European Peace Facility’ (EPF) financing instrument with a ceiling of €5 billion that can be used to provide military aid.

The only recently created intergovernmental fund had opened the door for the bloc to deliver military aid to partner countries and finance the deployment of its military missions abroad.

Borrell said the EU had agreed “to provide arms — lethal arms, lethal assistance — to the Ukrainian army for a value of €450 million support package and €50 million more for the non-lethal supplies – fuel and protective equipment.”

The EPF would be used to coordinate shipments and other logistics.

EU defence ministers will meet virtually on Monday (28 January) to iron out the technical details of the mechanism.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Always had a dim view of RT but my anger at those British citizens that continue to be complicit in pushing the Kremins line is very high at the moment.

Who are you referring to?

The British 'journalists' on their payroll

Kremlin warns against supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry said the countries supporting Ukraine with lethal weapons would bear responsibility if they are used during Moscow’s ongoing offensive. - Kyiv Independent.

Let’s send them more.

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LATEST: Russia says US decision to expel diplomats a 'hostile' act -AFP News Agency

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Individual sovereign states will decide what is best to do.

Do you mean like Ukraine?

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Originally Posted by Damien

The British 'journalists' on their payroll

Also notable are their "guests"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Guests

Notable guests have included think tank intellectuals like Jared Bernstein, John Feffer and Lawrence Korb; journalists and writers Jacob Sullum, Pepe Escobar, and Brian Doherty, and heads of state, including Ecuador's Rafael Correa, and Syria's Bashar al-Assad. Nigel Farage, the leader of UK Independence Party from 2010 to 2016, appeared on RT eighteen times from 2010 to 2014. Steve Bannon has stated that he has appeared on RT "probably 100 times or more". Manuel Ochsenreiter, a neo-Nazi, has repeatedly appeared on RT to represent the German point of view. RT News has also frequently hosted Richard B. Spencer, an American white supremacist airing his opinions in support of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, and has hosted Holocaust denier Ryan Dawson, presenting him as a human rights activist. Such figures as Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, David Ray Griffin, and Webster Tarpley have appeared on RT to advance conspiracy theories about topics such as the September 11 attacks, the Bilderberg group, and the "New World Order"

[TimeLord2018]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Give it a few days and 5 million will be about 40 pence.

Currently 5 million Rubles is worth about £35,480 now rather than £50,000

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018

Currently 5 million Rubles is worth about £35,480 now rather than £50,000

That may still be quite a lot of money to them.