Coronavirus - Page 48

**Hugh** · 16-12-2021, 00:08

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Yes, totes mosh. You alright hun?

RichardCoulter · 16-12-2021, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Mick

Who have likely died because of a number of other causes, not just Covid by itself.

But covid will probably have hastened or caused the deaths from any underlying causes.

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Upper left arm is tender but that’s all so far. Our eldest had Pfizer earlier this year and was knocked sideways by the first dose - really sleepy. Second wasn’t nearly as bad. I’ll post back tomorrow if I get any side effects from the booster.

Thanks, that will make me feel better. I think it's Pfizer that i'm having this time as well (the one that has to be kept very cold).

**Paul** · 16-12-2021, 02:08

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I think it's Pfizer that i'm having this time as well (the one that has to be kept very cold).

Both the main booster options (Pfizer and Moderna) have to be kept cold.

**Mick** · 16-12-2021, 05:57

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

But covid will probably have hastened or caused the deaths from any underlying causes..

Not necessarily, we’ve seen how they record the death, if a person has died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 result. That person could have had a fatal heart attack, it’s still a Covid death to be tallied.

mrmistoffelees · 16-12-2021, 09:42

France to ban travel to/from U.K. without a ‘compelling reason’ from Saturday morning

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-b...cases-12497105

jonbxx · 16-12-2021, 09:52

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Now you've had it for a few hours, how are you feeling? Friends of mine have reported things like a large swelling where the injection was administered, feeling extremely weak/tired or just generally dreadful. Most said that this lasts for about 24 hours.

I doubt i'll sleep tonight as I don't know how i'll cope with this on top of the pain etc that I have anyway, but I know I have no alternative.

I'm just hoping that this doesn't happen to everyone that has it, which is why i'm asking how you feel after having had it earlier in the evening.

I had my booster pretty much 24 hours ago (Pfizer after AZ doses 1 and 2) My arm aches a bit and I feel a little under the weather to the point where I have just taken a couple of paracetamol but that's purely because I need to do some work. If I wasn't working, a 'take it easy' morning would probably do the job. The side effects are definitely milder than after my first AZ jab

Interestingly, the vaccination centre I went to (in Watford) had to shut down drop ins due to the size of the queues forming. This is the local presses take on it - https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/ne...ire-cancelled/

Pierre · 16-12-2021, 10:04

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

France to ban travel to/from U.K. without a ‘compelling reason’ from Saturday morning

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-b...cases-12497105

Stable horse bolted and all that.

Omicron will be in Europe, including France. Stopping travel to and from the UK won't make a blind bit of difference.

mrmistoffelees · 16-12-2021, 10:06

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Stable horse bolted and all that.

Omicron will be in Europe, including France. Stopping travel to and from the UK won't make a blind bit of difference.

Tbf no different to what the U.K. and several other countries have done with South Africa etc.

jfman · 16-12-2021, 10:21

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Tbf no different to what the U.K. and several other countries have done with South Africa etc.

There’s still merit in restricting travel from the highest risk places as a delaying tactic. Further seeding events will only bring forward the collapse of the healthcare system.

**Hugh** · 16-12-2021, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Mick

Not necessarily, we’ve seen how they record the death, if a person has died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 result. That person could have had a fatal heart attack, it’s still a Covid death to be tallied.

The ONS have two different measures.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...lesmethodology

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5. Definition of COVID-19 deaths

In England and Wales, the doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. A doctor can certify the involvement of COVID-19 based on symptoms and clinical findings – a positive test result is not required. Definitions of COVID-19 for deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland are similar to England and Wales.

We use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19. When taking into account all of the deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not, we use the term "involving COVID-19".

mrmistoffelees · 16-12-2021, 10:31

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There’s still merit in restricting travel from the highest risk places as a delaying tactic. Further seeding events will only bring forward the collapse of the healthcare system.

The French mainlands first detected case of omicron was on 25th November as of December 14th they had 130 known omicron variant cases.

It’s already seeded, they’re just a week or so behind us.

jfman · 16-12-2021, 10:34

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The French mainlands first detected case of omicron was on 25th November as of December 14th they had 130 known omicron variant cases.

It’s already seeded, they’re just a week or so behind us.

I accept that, but if you are planning control measures inviting folk in from a country with none isn’t going to assist the situation.

mrmistoffelees · 16-12-2021, 10:38

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I accept that, but if you are planning control measures inviting folk in from a country with none isn’t going to assist the situation.

I take your point but thats not entirely true though is it? Pre departure tests from the U.K. are required, France could insist on those being PCR

GrimUpNorth · 16-12-2021, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Mick

Not necessarily, we’ve seen how they record the death, if a person has died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 result. That person could have had a fatal heart attack, it’s still a Covid death to be tallied.

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joglynne · 16-12-2021, 11:23

Today's ZOE video by Professor Tim Spector of King's College London. Worth a watch if you want see, what I consider to be a considered analysis on, what's happening.

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As fear of Omicron spreads as fast as the virus itself, Professor Tim Spector unpacks ZOE COVID Study data which suggests Omicron hasn't yet exploded in the UK. However, there are clear signs Omicron has overtaken Delta in London where cases are growing fast.

Tim also discusses positive preliminary data on Omicron symptoms, which, at this point in time, seem very similar to those of Delta. The question is, do you really know all the symptoms you should be looking out for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF79-XprdfU