Coronavirus

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I personally think the back to normal was a mistake. I believe they shoudl not have lifted mask rules and to a degree some from of social distancing should have been left in place. I am of ill health and will not go into a pub or a busy market and tbh I avoid shopping as much as I can. A week ago Monday I went to Aldi and it quite busy and I was the only one without a mask. It was like covid did not exist. Well it has not gone anywhere and it is still killing people a hell of a lot more than the flu

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no some people do not give a toss about others. Why should I give a toss about them so make em wear a mask and fine em if they refuse I am all for it

Fully understand your health conditions, but you do have a choice not to go to a pub or a busy place (I would agree about avoiding crowds in general).


But this is again a situation of projecting ones own issues onto others. The majority of people are healthy and shouldn't be treated as though they are sick when a minority could take precautions, such as avoiding crowds, wearing surgical masks, if they feel they are at risk of being with others.



A fair amount of these "underlying conditions" may also affect people who have colds, flu, etc. Now I do totally agree that people who have an illness which they can spread to others should stay at home as much as possible, but we don't need mask mandates for this.



That argument also conveniently swerves those who are exempt from wearing a face covering, and aren't simply being cocks about it. And not all of those are physical - if someone was assaulted, and held over their mouth to prevent them shouting for help, that attack could traumatise them and a face covering may well trigger them.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I personally think the back to normal was a mistake. I believe they shoudl not have lifted mask rules and to a degree some from of social distancing should have been left in place. I am of ill health and will not go into a pub or a busy market and tbh I avoid shopping as much as I can.

And I’m not, and while I sympathise about your health, I will not curtail my lifestyle because of it.

no some people do not give a toss about others. Why should I give a toss about them so make em wear a mask and fine em if they refuse I am all for it

And around we go. You can’t fine them.

[Jaymoss]

But Covid has been shown to have no respect for healthy or not healthy. The figures posted in the other thread show how the majority now going into hospital are unvaccinated. Just imagine how many less there would be if everyone had the vaccine? If everyone was vaccinated then yes only those with health issues would need to take care.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

But Covid has been shown to have no respect for healthy or not healthy.

That’s just plain incorrect sorry.

There are some people of course that are healthy and younger that may become seriously but it is a very small number. The exception does not make the rule.

The figures posted in the other thread show how the majority now going into hospital are unvaccinated.

No shit? What are the odds?

Just imagine how many less there would be if everyone had the vaccine? If everyone was vaccinated then yes only those with health issues would need to take care.

I don’t disagree

[mrmistoffelees]

Seems like the WHO have changed their tune somewhat on their earlier statement regarding omicron only causing mild symptoms

https://apple.news/A68kie14ISImbZjJQnnIUEQ

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can’t run the world or your life on the pre-cautionary principle, I mean you can try. I don’t think it’ll work out for you though.

How is your car insurance, your house & contents insurance, your life insurance, and your holiday insurance?

[nffc]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Seems like the WHO have changed their tune somewhat on their earlier statement regarding omicron only causing mild symptoms

https://apple.news/A68kie14ISImbZjJQnnIUEQ

Seems to me it's just going to take a couple of weeks before they know for sure.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is your car insurance, your house & contents insurance, your life insurance, and your holiday insurance?

That paranoid stuff is just for people who cower under the stairs

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is your car insurance, your house & contents insurance, your life insurance, and your holiday insurance?

Do any of those require you to wear a mask ?
Do any of them (supposedly) prevent transmission of a virus, or possibly make you ill.
(Granted, the price of some of them might make you feel faint).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is your car insurance, your house & contents insurance, your life insurance, and your holiday insurance?

Fine and totally irrelevant to the discussion thanks.

Hope that helps

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How is your car insurance, your house & contents insurance, your life insurance, and your holiday insurance?

I get the point there but the analogy doesn't really work, nor do many analogies you can pull off it.


You have to insure your car, you don't have to insure holidays or homes, though it's a good idea to.


If you're trying to equate having holiday insurance to wearing a mask, then is there a situation where someone going on holiday with no insurance can get themselves in a situation where the lack of insurance causes them an issue on holiday and their situation directly causes a situation for others who are on holiday whether they have insurance or not. That's an equivalent analogy to someone who has covid and goes somewhere without a mask on and infects other people (which will happen whether or not they are wearing a mask), It doesn't happen and though mask wearing, like holiday insurance, is a good idea for now at least.


Insuring your car does protect others though because your insurance won't need to pay out if you have an accident which isn't your fault, it will be the other party's. But I still don't see the direct parallel between any of this and mask wearing.


If they were really bothered about getting tabs on omicron they would be encouraging people to do LFTs before leaving the house, if they test positive then you need to isolate until confirmed by PCR, which they'd then have to sequence. In that case, there's probably less need for masks anyway if these people have tested negative.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Maybe they just don’t want to wear one?


I don’t see why?



If there were any principles mask mandates wouldn’t have been reintroduced.

Belated reply, good morning btw

1. That's fine, but as has been covered elsewhere we all have to do things which we don't want too, or make little legal sense.

2. If people feel so strongly and want to intentionally break the law with their 'protest' then why would they not accept the consequences of doing so rather than cowering behind medical reasons that aren't applicable to them.

3. Why not?

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Originally Posted by nffc

I get the point there but the analogy doesn't really work, nor do many analogies you can pull off it.


You have to insure your car, you don't have to insure holidays or homes, though it's a good idea to.


If you're trying to equate having holiday insurance to wearing a mask, then is there a situation where someone going on holiday with no insurance can get themselves in a situation where the lack of insurance causes them an issue on holiday and their situation directly causes a situation for others who are on holiday whether they have insurance or not. That's an equivalent analogy to someone who has covid and goes somewhere without a mask on and infects other people (which will happen whether or not they are wearing a mask), It doesn't happen and though mask wearing, like holiday insurance, is a good idea for now at least.


Insuring your car does protect others though because your insurance won't need to pay out if you have an accident which isn't your fault, it will be the other party's. But I still don't see the direct parallel between any of this and mask wearing.


If they were really bothered about getting tabs on omicron they would be encouraging people to do LFTs before leaving the house, if they test positive then you need to isolate until confirmed by PCR, which they'd then have to sequence. In that case, there's probably less need for masks anyway if these people have tested negative.

You don't have to insure your car at all, however you do need to insure it to legally drive it on a public road.

Oh for heaven's sake just wear the damned mask and wear it OVER your nose.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Oh for heaven's sake just wear the damned mask and wear it OVER your nose.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If you don't want to wear a mask, perhaps you could stay at home and order online instead. Thus, allowing the majority who have no issue whatsoever with wearing masks to go about their business in shops etc.