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[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

How is life on Mount middle class privileged Smugness?

Quite the retort for the man who described himself as so privileged to be unaffected by Covid restrictions while, against all science, advocating for none.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Quite the retort for the man who described himself as so privileged to be unaffected by Covid restrictions while, against all science, advocating for none.

But all done without mocking others, and at least acknowledging that I personally had a less worse time than many others during lockdown, and also unlike others who wanted lockdown to continue, wishing for it to continue and desperately still hoping it will happen again ( after all it’s inevitable isn’t it?) I didn’t, and still don’t, think they were the answer. The cost benefit analysis still hasn’t been done.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But all done without mocking others, and at least acknowledging that I personally had a less worse time than many others during lockdown, and also unlike others who wanted lockdown to continue, wishing for it to continue and desperately still hoping it will happen again ( after all it’s inevitable isn’t it?) I didn’t, and still don’t, think they were the answer. The cost benefit analysis still hasn’t been done.

1 saved life is worth all the money. The very fact the world disagrees show how very very wrong we have everything.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But all done without mocking others, and at least acknowledging that I personally had a less worse time than many others during lockdown, and also unlike others who wanted lockdown to continue, wishing for it to continue and desperately still hoping it will happen again ( after all it’s inevitable isn’t it?) I didn’t, and still don’t, think they were the answer. The cost benefit analysis still hasn’t been done.

Plenty of time to go down the anti-vax rabbit hole too it seems.

I’m not sure anyone in July was advocating for another lockdown. You seem to be conflating lockdown with more practical measures - masks, distancing, working from home. And of course economic support for those less well off.

As for inevitability I’ve always caveated that with “without intervention”.

As demonstrated from this very post you either do not understand, or wilfully ignore, nuance.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

1 saved life is worth all the money. The very fact the world disagrees show how very very wrong we have everything.

that is a very simplistic way of looking at it.

1 life saved from coronavirius v 2 lives lost due to not getting a cancer diagnosis early enough or committing suicide? for example.

Livelihoods lost, homes lost, families broken up etc, etc etc.

We don't know the full impact the last 20months has had on everyone, but I would argue your statement is not correct.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

that is a very simplistic way of looking at it.

1 life saved from coronavirius v 2 lives lost due to not getting a cancer diagnosis early enough or committing suicide? for example.

Livelihoods lost, homes lost, families broken up etc, etc etc.

We don't know the full impact the last 20months has had on everyone, but I would argue your statement is not correct.

The whole lockdown thing was to ease the strain on hospitals which in turn was meant to make other things like Cancer treatment better than it would have been if hospitals were even more swamped

I would argue all day every day that the system is wrong full stop. Too much emphasis on material wealth not enough on caring for others. The world is wrong and beyond repair

You heard the tale of the fisherman and the businessman??

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

that is a very simplistic way of looking at it.

1 life saved from coronavirius v 2 lives lost due to not getting a cancer diagnosis early enough or committing suicide? for example.

Livelihoods lost, homes lost, families broken up etc, etc etc.

We don't know the full impact the last 20months has had on everyone, but I would argue your statement is not correct.

And can you prove they'd benefit from letting COVID rip through society? Of course you cannot. People are dying waiting to get into A&E now because of the wait to get into hospital with many beds taken up by COVID patients.

Your pretence that we can just act like it's 2019 is a complete red herring. Dare I say simplistic.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

The whole lockdown thing was to ease the strain on hospitals which in turn was meant to make other things like Cancer treatment better than it would have been if hospitals were even more swamped

didn't work out that way though did it?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

didn't work out that way though did it?

but can you say for sure if it would have been better or worse had they not locked down ???

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

didn't work out that way though did it?

And your solution is… more Covid patients?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

And can you prove they'd benefit from letting COVID rip through society? Of course you cannot.

No, because if you read my first post you would have seen that I clearly stated

The cost benefit analysis still hasn’t been done.

So no one knows either way. It just resorts to opinions and guess work. So that analysis needs to be done very quickly as making policy on opinions and guesswork is not ideal.

Obtaining the cost data shouldn't be too difficult. Not so sure on the benefit...........

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No, because if you read my first post you would have seen that I clearly stated

So no one knows either way. It just resorts to opinions and guess work. So that analysis needs to be done very quickly as making policy on opinions and guesswork is not ideal.

Obtaining the cost data shouldn't be too difficult. Not so sure on the benefit...........

Well take comfort Pierre that no country anywhere in the world considered your proposition realistic, even by accident.

On balance of probability I think it’s more likely that you are wrong. Blinded by your opposition to the state intervening in any aspect of life and seeming propensity to anti-vax rhetoric.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

but can you say for sure if it would have been better or worse had they not locked down ???

I don't know, was it much better? would it have been much worse? We'll find out if there is ever an objective inquiry undertaken.