05-11-2021, 09:29
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
Also I assume they are likely to offer beyond 1 gig speeds in future.
Apologies if I have missed this - does anyone know if the Hub 5 will support Link Aggregation 802.3ad? My firewall supports this but I assume the Virgin hubs do not as others are using balance-rr to go beyond the 1 gig port limitations. I assume probably not given it has a 2.5gig port but my current hardware does not!
Last edited by david_w2k; 05-11-2021 at 09:56.
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05-11-2021, 11:31
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Originally Posted by david_w2k
Also I assume they are likely to offer beyond 1 gig speeds in future.
Apologies if I have missed this - does anyone know if the Hub 5 will support Link Aggregation 802.3ad? My firewall supports this but I assume the Virgin hubs do not as others are using balance-rr to go beyond the 1 gig port limitations. I assume probably not given it has a 2.5gig port but my current hardware does not!
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I *highly* doubt you will see 802.3ad support, even balance-rr was an undocumented and unsupported feature in previous builds. I think you need a new firewall 
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05-11-2021, 11:36
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
Plus I'm pretty sure I've seen a post somewhere that says it's only the 2.5Gb port that's enabled in modem mode for the Hub 5.
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05-11-2021, 12:02
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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I *highly* doubt you will see 802.3ad support, even balance-rr was an undocumented and unsupported feature in previous builds. I think you need a new firewall |
Yeah maybe in future but for now to be honest I’m happy with 950 meg or whatever it is as evenhaving 600 meg was overkill for me anyway :-)
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05-11-2021, 14:40
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Originally Posted by david_w2k
Yeah maybe in future but for now to be honest I’m happy with 950 meg or whatever it is as evenhaving 600 meg was overkill for me anyway :-)
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What is the firewall? If it's a pfsense box or something with USB3, there are some reasonable multigig usb3 adaptors
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05-11-2021, 14:47
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
It is one of these - I highly recommend it by the way but do now wish they shipped with 2.5 gig. https://firewalla.com/products/firewalla-gold
Good company - lots of updates based on user feedback etc.
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05-11-2021, 15:13
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Ah, they are using a Jetway mini pc, I have one.....
https://www.mini-itx.com/~JBC430
This one!
There isn't a similar model with multigig unfortunately, it is a reasonable cpu inside tho.
Edit: With a hub5 you could do the reverse of what I tested on hub3 and udmp, put a little 10g switch between them, 2.5G from hub5->switch, 802.3ad from switch->firewalla
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05-11-2021, 15:55
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Originally Posted by rtho782
Ah, they are using a Jetway mini pc, I have one.....
https://www.mini-itx.com/~JBC430
This one!
There isn't a similar model with multigig unfortunately, it is a reasonable cpu inside tho.
Edit: With a hub5 you could do the reverse of what I tested on hub3 and udmp, put a little 10g switch between them, 2.5G from hub5->switch, 802.3ad from switch->firewalla |
Ah interesting!
Yeah seems like they didnt expect much uptake of >1gig for their customers but as you say the hardware can cope with a lot. Definitely had a significant improvement on network performance by moving my Orbi mesh to AP mode and the Firewalla driving everything.
Cool - that sounds like a really good approach! Do you have any recommendations on switches to use? I have Netgear around my house but their consumer grade 10 gig switches don't seem to support link aggregation.
Appreciate the insights!
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05-11-2021, 16:22
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Ah interesting!
Yeah seems like they didnt expect much uptake of >1gig for their customers but as you say the hardware can cope with a lot. Definitely had a significant improvement on network performance by moving my Orbi mesh to AP mode and the Firewalla driving everything.
Cool - that sounds like a really good approach! Do you have any recommendations on switches to use? I have Netgear around my house but their consumer grade 10 gig switches don't seem to support link aggregation.
Appreciate the insights!
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I'd suggest this one
https://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-...1g-4s+in/15664
Obviously you can't get >1G out the other side of your firewall tho....
Another option would be this:
https://linitx.com/product/mikrotik-...9ug+s+in/16847
as it has a 2.5G port so no need for any SFP+ modules...
But, whatever you do, you might get >1gb to the firewalla, but then not sure how you will get >1gb out, except in aggregate across several devices.
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05-11-2021, 17:13
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
Will take a look - thanks. Could I for example do 2x ports LAG to modem facing switch and then 2x ports t LAN facing switch? I think that’s what their documentation showed for using LAG but will check
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06-11-2021, 00:18
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
If you want to build something yourself grab a HP T730 thin client from ebay and a PCIE network adaptor and slap PFsense on it. Can run it in a VM too as the T730's are powerful little beasts.
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06-11-2021, 07:57
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
What I might do initially (assuming I’m offfered a hub 5 in future) is get >1 gbps to the Firewalla using your advice and then have my wired devices on one FW port and then wifi on the other so at least between then there is a better chance of using all available bandwidth even if not to a single device.
Appreciate the advice, some things to think about!
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13-11-2021, 10:20
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
Is there any consensus yet on the stability and reliability of the Hub 5? I have a Hub 3 in modem mode and I am hoping the replacement Hub 5 will be "as good".
I do not want to go from a stable modem to one that is "work in progress" and could cause problems.
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13-11-2021, 10:30
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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Is there any consensus yet on the stability and reliability of the Hub 5? I have a Hub 3 in modem mode and I am hoping the replacement Hub 5 will be "as good".
I do not want to go from a stable modem to one that is "work in progress" and could cause problems.
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the hub 3 is still a work in progress 
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13-11-2021, 10:37
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Re: Hub 5 at no extra cost
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the hub 3 is still a work in progress |
Hah! Nice one ..
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