Britain outside the EU - Page 158

heero_yuy · 08-09-2021, 11:13

If you get all you ask for then you didn't ask for enough.

mrmistoffelees · 08-09-2021, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Someone was always going to say that.

But the Irish generally still carry (to varying degree) the chip on their shoulder of the days when the country was getting a raw deal from the British. Varadkar epitomises the boot being on the other foot.

I have no hesitation in calling him the Enemy. Same goes for that duplictous and perfidious Macron.

I have to ask, don't you have a chip on your shoulder due to the way you perceive the way the EU are treating the UK?

Is yours somehow more justified than the 'Irish' ??

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The key is in the behaviour. They are hardly friendly towards us. They are angry, not least because they no longer have our financial contribution.

However, they brought it about themselves when they sent Cameron back with his tail between his legs after he put a pretty tame list of feeble demands to them. They overplayed their hand, and now they are paying the price.

If they haven’t learned their lesson they will do the same with Northern Ireland.

Being 'hardly friendly' does not inherently them the 'enemy'

As Hugh says, standard economic negotiation tactics

OLD BOY · 08-09-2021, 16:57

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Being 'hardly friendly' does not inherently them the 'enemy'

As Hugh says, standard economic negotiation tactics

You are right, of course. But nonetheless, that’s how it feels.

Macron in particular is, let’s say, ‘not very nice’ towards us. Putting it mildly, that is.

Sephiroth · 08-09-2021, 17:01

I have a huge chip on my shoulder regarding the EU. So what?

mrmistoffelees · 08-09-2021, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I have a huge chip on my shoulder regarding the EU. So what?

Get another, you'll be equally balanced then

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are right, of course. But nonetheless, that’s how it feels.

Macron in particular is, let’s say, ‘not very nice’ towards us. Putting it mildly, that is.

Ah, so now they're hurting our feelings?

well, that is a rum do

Let's be honest, this needs to be about facts, not feelings & the facts are that we may not like the way the EU are acting BUT they have their own interests to put first, as we do ours. and, so long as they're not breaking any laws/treaties then what exactly are they doing wrong? Some may argue that 'isn't in the spirit of things' but this is politics & economics, not a game of cricket.

Sephiroth · 08-09-2021, 18:48

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Get another, you'll be equally balanced then

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Ah, so now they're hurting our feelings?

well, that is a rum do

Let's be honest, this needs to be about facts, not feelings & the facts are that we may not like the way the EU are acting BUT they have their own interests to put first, as we do ours. and, so long as they're not breaking any laws/treaties then what exactly are they doing wrong? Some may argue that 'isn't in the spirit of things' but this is politics & economics, not a game of cricket.

Rather than explaining the EU's part and approach, you should be standing up for the UK and shedding the "I told you so" stance.

Their stance on the AZ vaccine was nothing short of appalling and directed towards us directly.

mrmistoffelees · 08-09-2021, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Rather than explaining the EU's part and approach, you should be standing up for the UK and shedding the "I told you so" stance.

Their stance on the AZ vaccine was nothing short of appalling and directed towards us directly.

They've done NOTHING legally/treaty wise wrong. I have not nor will i ever support/standup for anything/anyone in my life that i believe to be inherently wrong.

This is not me saying I told you so, as probably contrary to your belief i gain no pleasure from it.

The UK got ourselves into this mess, according to some (including you) we don't need any help from the EU. Well, lets see the UK get out of this mess then without the EUs assistance. Then we can hang the bunting, roll out the street parties, and all have a nice piece of cake with lashings and lashings of ginger beer.

Your anger is misdirected.

Sephiroth · 08-09-2021, 19:11

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

They've done NOTHING legally/treaty wise wrong. I have not nor will i ever support/standup for anything/anyone in my life that i believe to be inherently wrong.

This is not me saying I told you so, as probably contrary to your belief i gain no pleasure from it.

The UK got ourselves into this mess, according to some (including you) we don't need any help from the EU. Well, lets see the UK get out of this mess then without the EUs assistance. Then we can hang the bunting, roll out the street parties, and all have a nice piece of cake with lashings and lashings of ginger beer.

Your anger is misdirected.

Weasel words but sadly, probably true.

mrmistoffelees · 08-09-2021, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Weasel words but sadly, probably true.

It's called having principles.

OLD BOY · 08-09-2021, 19:44

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Get another, you'll be equally balanced then

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Ah, so now they're hurting our feelings?

well, that is a rum do

Let's be honest, this needs to be about facts, not feelings & the facts are that we may not like the way the EU are acting BUT they have their own interests to put first, as we do ours. and, so long as they're not breaking any laws/treaties then what exactly are they doing wrong? Some may argue that 'isn't in the spirit of things' but this is politics & economics, not a game of cricket.

Trading between nations relies on mutual trust, old chap.

It certainly shouldn’t rely on ‘feelings’. Maybe you need to tell that to Macron, who hates our guts.

Mad Max · 08-09-2021, 19:56

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

It's called having principles.

Are you Jfman in disguise?

**Hugh** · 08-09-2021, 21:06

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trading between nations relies on mutual trust, old chap.

It certainly shouldn’t rely on ‘feelings’. Maybe you need to tell that to Macron, who hates our guts.

Trust relies on nations living up to the agreements they signed up to, old chap...

Just because the Express and the Spectator say Macron hates the Brits, doesnt make it true...

TheDaddy · 08-09-2021, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Trust relies on nations living up to the agreements they signed up to, old chap...

Just because the Express and the Spectator say Macron hates the Brits, doesnt make it true...

Perhaps they're just confused that for the first time in peacetime history a nation has made it harder for themselves to trade with their neighbours

1andrew1 · 08-09-2021, 21:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Trading between nations relies on mutual trust, old chap.

It certainly shouldn’t rely on ‘feelings’. Maybe you need to tell that to Macron, who hates our guts.

Macron's annoying and I don't like him atall but I'm not sure he hates our guts.

Sephiroth · 08-09-2021, 21:47

Macron doesn't hate the Brits.

He just likes himself more and he wants to win the upcoming presidential election. So, Mr. Non.