Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

See the French/Irish bragging over 2nd jabs for details.

Same as the UK bragging over vaccination roll-out. Doesn't mean the UK is punishing the EU and hopefully it incentivises countries to roll out vaccines faster.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Same as the UK bragging over vaccination roll-out. Doesn't mean the UK is punishing the EU and hopefully it incentivises countries to roll out vaccines faster.

Not the same at all. First, the French Commissioner started the bragging; then the Irish Teashop jumped in followed by the Irish Tainasty. That's the EU taking a poke at the UK.

Second, what's this confection of the the UK punishing the EU? Boris is a bumbling bragger and some of his team follow his lead. Why introduce that stupid point?

And remember the context: The EU tried to prevent us receiving vaccines. They are the enemy. Simples.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not the same at all. First, the French Commissioner started the bragging; then the Irish Teashop jumped in followed by the Irish Tainasty. That's the EU taking a poke at the UK.

Second, what's this confection of the the UK punishing the EU? Boris is a bumbling bragger and some of his team follow his lead. Why introduce that stupid point?

And remember the context: The EU tried to prevent us receiving vaccines. They are the enemy. Simples.

As far as i can surmise you're an intelligent person, if you fail to see that the EU would seek to punish the UK in certain ways then that's on you. (I'll admit they have in other aspects, but, i don't believe that this is one)

We've left, we need to accept and work with the consequences, constraints and also benefits that come with us leaving.

Will there be benefits? Probably.
Will there be downsides? Absolutely.

Finally, I do wish you would desist with your constant bleating and use of the word 'enemy' to describe the EU it detracts from someone who is skilled at debate.

Thankfully even the most inept politicians seem to realising that such jingoism will not help us develop and forge the relationships we need to compete in the global economy.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As far as i can surmise you're an intelligent person, if you fail to see that the EU would seek to punish the UK in certain ways then that's on you. (I'll admit they have in other aspects, but, i don't believe that this is one)

We've left, we need to accept and work with the consequences, constraints and also benefits that come with us leaving.

Will there be benefits? Probably.
Will there be downsides? Absolutely.

Finally, I do wish you would desist with your constant bleating and use of the word 'enemy' to describe the EU it detracts from someone who is skilled at debate.

Thankfully even the most inept politicians seem to realising that such jingoism will not help us develop and forge the relationships we need to compete in the global economy.

You are right. The visa waiver proposals (if implemented with a payment) will apply equally to all third countries. But please remember what I said earlier:

As I've regularly said, the EC hates the UK for leaving their poxy "union". They'll say that all third-countries will be equally treated, but the EC will be laughing up their sleeves.

On the question of calling the EU "the enemy", I take your point. I might desist because I can use other terms such as "punish" and smirk" and so on.

[mrmistoffelees]

Coming back to this

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As I've regularly said, the EC hates the UK for leaving their poxy "union". They'll say that all third-countries will be equally treated, but the EC will be laughing up their sleeves.


In the grand scheme of things, so what?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Coming back to this

Quote:
As I've regularly said, the EC hates the UK for leaving their poxy "union". They'll say that all third-countries will be equally treated, but the EC will be laughing up their sleeves.


In the grand scheme of things, so what?

Remains to be seen. Fair enough question - but I’ m really hitting at the EU’s desire to punish the UK through intransigence and smirking etc. They are the …… pits!

[1andrew1]

Good to see this deal struck.

Deal will allow UK performers to do short tours in 19 EU members states visa-free

After the UK left the EU, performers were told they would need permission to work in the places they intended to tour but a deal has been struck with most of the EU's 27 member states.

https://news.sky.com/story/deal-will...-free-12372968

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Remains to be seen. Fair enough question - but I’ m really hitting at the EU’s desire to punish the UK through intransigence and smirking etc. They are the …… pits!

Or, we're great at punishing ourselves?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-enter-europe

The British government was one of the “biggest supporters” of EU plans to require non-EU nationals to obtain authorisation and pay a fee to enter the bloc’s passport-free travel zone, the Guardian has learned.

David Cameron’s government backed the idea when it was floated by the European Commission in April 2016, three months before the EU referendum, when few foresaw the €7 (£5.95) fee would one day hit British travellers.

If the UK had remained an EU member state, British nationals would be exempt from the form filling and charge – a special status that non-Schengen Ireland has today.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Remains to be seen. Fair enough question - but I’ m really hitting at the EU’s desire to punish the UK through intransigence and smirking etc. They are the …… pits!

The Bank of England said earlier that brexit has cost the country £440 million per week since we left in lost growth, the EU don't need to punish us or laugh at us and that's a conservative estimate by all accounts to btw

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good to see this deal struck.

https://news.sky.com/story/deal-will...-free-12372968

Maybe or maybe not

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...untries-brexit

Trade bodies and unions representing British musicians have expressed frustration at a government announcement on European work visas that they say changes nothing.

Musicians and performers continue to accuse the government of ignoring their plight by failing to negotiate any Brexit deal that would reinstate the previous visa-free working arrangements.

With this statement I can understand why those working in the industry would like a better resolution:

“I’m feeling frustrated and really, really concerned about the future of our industry and the ability to tour in Europe. It is by far our biggest market … it is four times the size of the US market for British artists – it is huge.”

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good to see this deal struck.

https://news.sky.com/story/deal-will...-free-12372968

I suppose that will mean the hordes will continue to flood in from the EU on the pretext of being performers.
Would the likes of Lativia and Lithuania, really be that interested in havung performers from the UK, or would they be more interested in having "performers" coming to the UK. From the UKs perspective, EU freedom of movement has always been lop-sided against the UKs interest.

[Carth]

How long is a 'short tour', and does it mean a tour of all EU countries or just allow a tour in one?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I suppose that will mean the hordes will continue to flood in from the EU on the pretext of being performers.
Would the likes of Lativia and Lithuania, really be that interested in havung performers from the UK, or would they be more interested in having "performers" coming to the UK. From the UKs perspective, EU freedom of movement has always been lop-sided against the UKs interest.

Erm, it's for UK people going to the EU countries, it's not about the other direction.

That's already been covered in our Visa rules - https://www.gov.uk/temporary-worker-...-sporting-visa

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Carth

How long is a 'short tour', and does it mean a tour of all EU countries or just allow a tour in one?

3 months apparently - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-member-states

I suppose that will mean the hordes will continue to flood in from the EU on the pretext of being performers.
Would the likes of Lativia and Lithuania, really be that interested in havung performers from the UK, or would they be more interested in having "performers" coming to the UK. From the UKs perspective, EU freedom of movement has always been lop-sided against the UKs interest.

Not sure how this will increase illegal immigration when you can come in as a tourist with having to carry a guitar. Seems much simpler doing that tbh

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I suppose that will mean the hordes will continue to flood in from the EU on the pretext of being performers.
Would the likes of Lativia and Lithuania, really be that interested in havung performers from the UK, or would they be more interested in having "performers" coming to the UK. From the UKs perspective, EU freedom of movement has always been lop-sided against the UKs interest.

The UK runs a huge surplus in music so UK artists performing in the EU greatly exceed inbound performers from the EU.
If you want to get to the UK from Europe, just get a passport or if you can't, take advantage of Brexit and get someone to smuggle you across.