Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They can indeed. It doesn’t address my point, though, which didn’t mention masks. Or Freedom Day, for that matter, which hasn’t arrived yet as far as I’m concerned.

In what sense was freedom day not freedom day OB?

No legal restrictions. That’s exactly what was promised and exactly what we have.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It is now for the scientists to monitor this virus and to take the necessary steps to factor in the changes to the vaccination boosters.

The public can start to relax now, adjusting their habits to align with the nature and intensity of any changes in the threat posed by the virus. Legislation to enforce restrictions is not necessary now in this country.

The public don’t need to follow your instructions on relaxing, OB. That’s the point of personal responsibility. If they want to stay at home, that’s entirely their perogative. If businesses or property developers lose money in the meantime that’s capitalism in action, who are we to intervene and mandate public behaviour against public will?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But can still infect those who have not been vaccinated, which is not something the covidfans/virus-supporters like to acknowledge...

I'm sure they acknowledge it, they just don't care or think that it's fair to restrict a majority on the needs of minority.

Given that those everybody over 18 has been offered the vaccine, the unvaccinated are either anti-vax or just not bothered, unable to have the vaccine for some reason or are under 18.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Yet as per usual you miss the obvious, the higher the rate of infection, the greater the chance of a mutation leading to either vaccine escape or a significant reduction in the amount of protection offered by current vaccines.
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Yep, heard it all before, don't care.

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Originally Posted by jfman

No legal restrictions.

Travel?

That’s exactly what was promised and exactly what we have.

We'll see. If Proof of vaccination is required for access to certain things then it's not "freedom day"

As an aside, I went to the circus the other day, it was brilliant and at the begining the announcer stated that all guests should wear a mask throughout the performance. I saw about 7 people out of a crowd of approx 2,000.

No one cares anymore, well not in Halifax anyway.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Travel?

Nobody seriously expected unrestricted international travel to form part of “freedom day”.

We'll see. If Proof of vaccination is required for access to certain things then it's not "freedom day"

As an aside, I went to the circus the other day, it was brilliant and at the begining the announcer stated that all guests should wear a mask throughout the performance. I saw about 7 people out of a crowd of approx 2,000.

No one cares anymore, well not in Halifax anyway.

The problem with observational data is you don’t see all the people who stayed away from the circus because of the clowns.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nobody seriously expected unrestricted international travel to form part of “freedom day”.

For British Citizens why not?

I've been vaccinated, if I've been to Spain, Singapore or Australia, how is that any more riskier than going down the road to the shops?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

For British Citizens why not?

I've been vaccinated, if I've been to Spain, Singapore or Australia, how is that any more riskier than going down the road to the shops?

Why British citizens over any other? Vaccinated is vaccinated is it not? Or do we do vaccine xenophobia?

Does anyone have the beta variant in your local shops?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And for how long do we hide in the cupboard under the stairs this time?

No way, the vaccinations are out there and these will be modified with boosters to tackle the variants.

The time for locking down and donning space masks has had its day. Time to move on and realise that this is not a 100% safe world. Never has been, never will be.

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It is now for the scientists to monitor this virus and to take the necessary steps to factor in the changes to the vaccination boosters.

The public can start to relax now, adjusting their habits to align with the nature and intensity of any changes in the threat posed by the virus. Legislation to enforce restrictions is not necessary now in this country.

Where in my post did i say we should be 'hiding in the cupboard' ?

Hypothetical question, how long do you think that it would take for a vaccine to be updated and then go through approvals and testing again? then let's make it more complex by them having to figure out why the new variant can escape/is more resistant. Weeks? Months?

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm sure they acknowledge it, they just don't care or think that it's fair to restrict a majority on the needs of minority.

Given that those everybody over 18 has been offered the vaccine, the unvaccinated are either anti-vax or just not bothered, unable to have the vaccine for some reason or are under 18.

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Yep, heard it all before, don't care.

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Travel?

We'll see. If Proof of vaccination is required for access to certain things then it's not "freedom day"

As an aside, I went to the circus the other day, it was brilliant and at the begining the announcer stated that all guests should wear a mask throughout the performance. I saw about 7 people out of a crowd of approx 2,000.

No one cares anymore, well not in Halifax anyway.

You will care, if it, or a future variant takes you or a member of your family for a trip on a ventilator in intensive care, or worse.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Where in my post did i say we should be 'hiding in the cupboard' ?

Hypothetical question, how long do you think that it would take for a vaccine to be updated and then go through approvals and testing again? then let's make it more complex by them having to figure out why the new variant can escape/is more resistant. Weeks? Months?

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You will care, if it, or a future variant takes you or a member of your family for a trip on a ventilator in intensive care, or worse.

I’m still at a loss as to why OB is concerned about hiding in the cupboard. After all - Mr “just shield the vulnerable” must surely be supportive of private individuals taking rational decisions in their own interests?

Or do we reach the genuine crux of his concern. Is he worried about that lack of expenditure in the economy?

Freedom day isn’t the freedom day he foolishly expected. Some of the vulnerable are self selecting to shield. Those working from home are sitting in their newly built conservatories with no financial interest in a return to slaving away in soulless glass city centre offices, at a cost of thousands per year to train operators.

As I promised him there’s no going back to 2019 and there never will be under the flag of “living with the virus”.

[Media Boy UK]

Anti-vaxxers are pretending to be vegan to avoid potential vaccine regulations

https://twitter.com/i/events/1422899486280589312

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You will care, if it, or a future variant takes you or a member of your family for a trip on a ventilator in intensive care, or worse.

You must live in fear........HAHAHAH, for the rest of your life. The variants will kill you and all your family.

Like I say, heard it all before, don't care.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why British citizens over any other? Vaccinated is vaccinated is it not? Or do we do vaccine xenophobia?

Now you're talking, I agree with you. There shouldn't be any travel restrictions for anyone, anywhere. That's a refreshing attitude you're taking there.

Does anyone have the beta variant in your local shops?

Probably, and Delta, Lambda, Omega. The variants will kill us all.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You must live in fear........HAHAHAH, for the rest of your life. The variants will kill you and all your family.

Like I say, heard it all before, don't care.

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Now you're talking, I agree with you. There shouldn't be any travel restrictions for anyone, anywhere. That's a refreshing attitude you're taking there.



Probably, and Delta, Lambda, Omega. The variants will kill us all.

No, I don't live in fear, I'm also not a sociopath.

I have a healthy respect for science, the scientists and the concerns that they raise.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Now you're talking, I agree with you. There shouldn't be any travel restrictions for anyone, anywhere. That's a refreshing attitude you're taking there.

I was more interested in your initial qualification rather than your atrocious idea. However at least you offered context in the previous sentence.

Like I say, heard it all before, don't care.

Fundamentally you’re in with the Great Barrington Declaration crowd, and no proposals no matter how reasonable will ever suit your ideological dogma.

[joglynne]

It is expected that ministers will approve advice from the JCVI which recommends healthy teenagers aged over 16, who have not yet been able to get their vaccine, be offered the chance to be immunised.

Under existing guidance, young people aged 16 to 17 with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious Covid infection should have already been offered a jab.

Children aged 12 to 15 with certain conditions which make them vulnerable to coronavirus can also access the vaccine, as can those aged 12 to 17 who live with an immunosuppressed person, such as a parent or grandparent.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...roved-21220120

[jfman]

I wonder what evidence the politically appointed behavioural scientists have to support the Government that doesn't get anything wrong has to support 16 and 17 year olds but not 12-15 year olds as in the rest of the world.

Supply chain of Pfizer vaccines perhaps? After all I don't hear much chatter of an Oxford booster.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I have a healthy respect for science, the scientists and the concerns that they raise.

After the last 18 months wow, I assume that doesn’t include alternative SAGE or Neil Ferguson?

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Originally Posted by jfman

Fundamentally you’re in with the Great Barrington Declaration crowd, and no proposals no matter how reasonable will ever suit your ideological dogma.

You have to agree I’ve been consistent

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by jfman

I wonder what evidence the politically appointed behavioural scientists have to support the Government that doesn't get anything wrong has to support 16 and 17 year olds but not 12-15 year olds as in the rest of the world.

Supply chain of Pfizer vaccines perhaps? After all I don't hear much chatter of an Oxford booster.

Yeah, we have lots of vaccines on order and it looks like us old codgers might be getting a Pfizer or Moderna jab if we had AZ in the past (linky)

That's going to limit doses for the kids by the look of it as they can't have the AZ jab