Coronavirus

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But if you’re vaccinated:

A) you’re unlikely to get seriously ill

B) your ability to transmit the virus is cut by half after one dose

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

So if your argument is that 90%+ overwhelming majority of the population should wear masks for a tiny % of people that can’t or won’t be vaccinated.

Well that’s a pretty warped stance to take.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE found.

The problem with chance is that the more often you "throw the dice", the more likely an event is going to happen. The more times you throw a pair of dice, the more likely it is a double six is going to be thrown.
Up to date info

The UK is experiencing a marked increase in new Covid infections, say experts from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).


Latest data from swab tests in the community suggests one in every 160 people has the virus.


That is up from one in every 250 in the previous week. For England, it is the highest level since mid February.
The more infectious Delta variant now accounts for 99% of cases, according to Public Health England.
...
England's coronavirus R number has risen slightly to between 1.2 and 1.5, which means that, on average, every 10 people infected will infect between 12 and 15 other people.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Well they created a vaccine and rolled it out flawlessly so much so bozo is happy to take the credit, speaking of that berk remind me who scrapped the Cabinet Pandemic Committee six months before the pandemic started. When it comes to advice I'll listen to the experts and you can take your chances with what ever mood bozo is in

Pandemic planning was never a constant never ending thing. It was just updated from time to time. There wasn't a constant stream of new info requiring it to be constantly amended.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Scientists can only advise, unfortunately its been politicians making the decisions. Not to prepare for a predicted pandemic, not to invest in PPE, not to invest in the NHS, ignore their own advice and get covid themselves and expect everyone to follow the rules that they don't. Scientists aren't to blame for the UK having the highest death toll in Europe.

Scientists, including the WHO, were against the general use of face masks.
Scientists also gave the ok for large scale sporting events to go ahead.


Which countries didn't have a shortage of PPE? The UK had an estimated £60m of stock in preparation for a pandemic. In 2019, the UK was independently judged to be 2nd best prepared in the world for a pandemic.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Point to the bit that explains how they rolled it out.

Sorry for the late reply. The JCVI advise the NHS on who should receive the vaccinations and when. See this nice explainer - https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...d-19-vaccines/

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Sorry for the late reply. The JCVI advise the NHS on who should receive the vaccinations and when. See this nice explainer - https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...d-19-vaccines/

Don’t see anything there on the logistics of supply, distribution and implementation of the vaccine programme i.e. rolling it out. From factory to arm.

[1andrew1]

PM holding 5pm briefing today about 19th July changes.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Don’t see anything there on the logistics of supply, distribution and implementation of the vaccine programme i.e. rolling it out. From factory to arm.

Ah, OK. My view on what a vaccine rollout would start from the decisions on who should get it and when, through to jabs in arms and logging that information and ongoing pharmacovigilance. If you're talking about the logistics, then yes, I doubt many scientists delivered vaccines, they bookend the process and manufacture the vaccines.

BREAKING: UK Government confirms that restrictions will be lifted on July 19th.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...firms-12354394

[RichardCoulter]

They have acknowledged that this will cause cases to rise, but will the NHS not be overwhelmed? This was the whole point of these measures in the first place.

Even though we now have vaccines, there will still be many who become hospitalised.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

They have acknowledged that this will cause cases to rise, but will the NHS not be overwhelmed? This was the whole point of these measures in the first place.

Even though we now have vaccines, there will still be many who become hospitalised.

Chris Witty put a slide up today that showed c. 38,000 cases in hospital when the positive rate was last where it is now. By contrast, the current hospitalisation is less than 10% of previous.

To my mind, the NHS will not be overwhelmed.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Chris Witty put a slide up today that showed c. 38,000 cases in hospital when the positive rate was last where it is now. By contrast, the current hospitalisation is less than 10% of previous.

To my mind, the NHS will not be overwhelmed.

Thanks.

Boris Johnson:

February 21: "we are embarking on a cautious but irreversible approach."

July 12: "I hope that the roadmap is irreversible, we've always said that we *hope* that the roadmap will be irreversible"

Sajid Javid

June 28: "It's going to be irreversible, there's no going back."

July 12: "there is still uncertainty... if the risk matrix changes, for example with variants of concern, we will not hesitate to take the appropriate action."

Irreversible

not possible to change; impossible to return to a previous condition

It’s almost as if they know something, but don’t want to tell us…

[jfman]

Heaven forbid.

[Sephiroth]

Boris's mouth cashes cheques his brain shouldn't have written.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Boris's mouth cashes cheques his brain shouldn't have written.

He’s perfidious 😉

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

He’s perfidious 😉

Again, that's my boy!

[Hom3r]

Well my sister messages me yesterday to say that her hubby got a call to say his isolation has ended.


So I have now arranged to go to Walton-on-the-Naze on Monday with her kids.