14-05-2021, 10:32
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Once again, trotting out CCHQ lines - they weren't criticising interior decor, they were highlighting possible corruption by money being given in an underhand, non-traceable way which was against the rules.
Big difference...
btw, I agree with the survey - people don't know what Labour stand for, because I'm not sure they do. Their base from the 50s-90s has disappeared (as most of the industries they worked in have disappeared/shrunk), and they haven't come up with a cohesive approach which attracts a wider base of voters (like Blair did, for all his faults).
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14-05-2021, 10:36
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Once again, trotting out CCHQ lines - they weren't criticising interior decor, they were highlighting possible corruption by money being given in an underhand manner.
Big difference...
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You mean like when over £650,000 was donated illegally to Labour via 3rd parties, and those high up in the party(eg Gordon Brown) seem to have known about it because they refused donations from those 3rd parties? How many criminal prosecutions were there? Zero. Other examples exist.
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14-05-2021, 10:39
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Welcome back, Mr Whataboutism - it's been a while...
All cases are bad, and should be investigated, and if found guilty, punished.
Difference in the cases being that Brown vetoed the donations, Boris went looking for them.
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14-05-2021, 10:58
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Welcome back, Mr Whataboutism - it's been a while...
All cases are bad, and should be investigated, and if found guilty, punished.
Difference in the cases being that Brown vetoed the donations, Boris went looking for them.
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But Labour weren't punished for actions that were admitted. Why? As I said other examples exist, and have been strangely ignored.
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14-05-2021, 11:19
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
They should have been punished if they broke the rules.
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14-05-2021, 11:27
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
My town has 13 councils, 12 switched to Conservative, mine was one only one to remain Liebour.
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14-05-2021, 11:31
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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But Labour weren't punished for actions that were admitted. Why? As I said other examples exist, and have been strangely ignored.
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I'm sure if you read the appropriate articles about them, it will explain why they went unpunished.
Two wrongs don't make a right, and corruption should not be green-lighted just because it's the "right side" that's doing it.
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16-05-2021, 11:25
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
The poll for PM isn't going in Sir Keir's favour
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Sir Keir Starmer slumps 17 points behind PM in new poll - and a third of Labour voters want him to quit
An Opinium poll sees the Labour leader struggling to make headway against a PM whose handling of the pandemic has gained approval.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is trailing Boris Johnson as the British public's preferred prime minister by 17 percentage points, according to a new poll.
Sir Keir had started to close the gap in April, pollsters Opimium said, but in a survey held on 13 and 14 May, he garnered just 23% support as preferred prime minister.
This was a fall of six points, while Mr Johnson saw his popularity climb by eight points to 40%...
The poll, based on the responses of 2,004 adults in the UK, also showed:
- 33% of Labour voters want Sir Keir to resign as party leader
- 49% do not want him to go
- Two-thirds think Labour did badly in the local elections earlier this month but just 31% blame Sir Keir
- 57% said Sir Keir has been a better party leader than his predecessor Mr Corbyn
- The top choice for Sir Keir's replacement as Labour Party leader was Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham, with approval from 47% and disapproval from 19%
- The Conservatives are up two points to 44%, whilst Labour has dropped six points to 31%
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https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-s...-quit-12307527
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16-05-2021, 11:28
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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49% do not want him to go
Two-thirds think Labour did badly in the local elections earlier this month but just 31% blame Sir Keir
57% said Sir Keir has been a better party leader than his predecessor Mr Corbyn
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Those seem to favour him…
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16-05-2021, 11:38
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Being a better leader than Corbyn is hardly a resounding accolade.
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16-05-2021, 11:43
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Are you suggesting that a poll of 2,004 adults in the UK, that is a story on one of the leading news media sites, is nothing more than a 'clickbait' article that actually shows nothing at all?
If so I'd agree, open to more spin than an Australian bowler 
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16-05-2021, 11:50
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Those seem to favour him…
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Wording corrected, thanks for highlighting. 
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18-05-2021, 23:18
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Being a better leader than Corbyn is hardly a resounding accolade.
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They do seem very good at picking bad leaders. 
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19-05-2021, 10:03
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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They do seem very good at picking bad leaders. |
Limited gene pool to fish in 
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19-05-2021, 10:33
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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And bottom trawling by all accounts.
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