Dominic Cummings has resigned

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Cummings' Barnard Castle trip was no more than most of us did during lockdown - in one form or another.

That just leaves Boris.

Pretty sure most of us didn't take a test drive with our families to check our eyesight, or drive over 250 miles to self-isolate...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

BBC now too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...om3=%40BBCNews

I'm guessing that Boris Johnson will survive this revelation as he has survived the others.

Speaking of which...

https://twitter.com/peston/status/13...550652428?s=21

[1andrew1]

I thought the unusual act of giving Dominic Cummings access to the Rose Garden to present his side to his lockdown Durham trip was because he knew where the bodies were buried. We're now starting to see what those bodies look like and they don't look nice.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty sure most of us didn't take a test drive with our families to check our eyesight, or drive over 250 miles to self-isolate...

But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I thought the unusual act of giving Dominic Cummings access to the Rose Garden to present his side to his lockdown Durham trip was because he knew where the bodies were buried. We're now starting to see what those bodies look like and they don't look nice.

Sorry, Andrew. Yours is a vacuous statement.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.

When people set the rules for the rest to follow then their level of accountability should be far higher, if the people that make the rules don't obey them then why should the rest of us.

I think the man's a wretch anyway, if he felt this stuff so deplorable why not resign at the time? Why wait until he's been sacked to be spiteful and get some petty revenge.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

When people set the rules for the rest to follow then their level of accountability should be far higher, if the people that make the rules don't obey them then why should the rest of us.

I think the man's a wretch anyway, if he felt this stuff so deplorable why not resign at the time? Why wait until he's been sacked to be spiteful and get some petty revenge.

There's no doubt that a lot of people will agree with you - for various reasons ranging from piety (nothing wrong with that) through hypocrisy to politics.

But if we turn your statement on it's head then you're implying that the likes of Cummings are less "entitled" to break the rules than the ordinary people who are judging him.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There's no doubt that a lot of people will agree with you - for various reasons ranging from piety (nothing wrong with that) through hypocrisy to politics.

But if we turn your statement on it's head then you're implying that the likes of Cummings are less "entitled" to break the rules than the ordinary people who are judging him.

And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. Bible verses available on request.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. Bible verses available on request.

Then there is Matthew 7:

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.


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Sorry, Andrew. Yours is a vacuous statement.

So you think it’s OK that he drove to Barnard Castle to "test his eyesight", putting his wife, child, other road users, and pedestrians at risk if it wasn’t? Or do you think that "he followed the instincts of every father and every parent and don’t mark him down for that"?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then there is Matthew 7:

Oh, boy, this should be interesting - trading biblical quotes with a religious scholar...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So you think it’s OK that he drove to Barnard Castle to "test his eyesight", putting his wife, child, other road users, and pedestrians at risk if it wasn’t? Or do you think that "he followed the instincts of every father and every parent and don’t mark him down for that"?
<SNIP>

Do you think that I think it's OK that he drove to Barnard Castle, etc.?

I was addressing the matter of pillorying a man for doing stuff that others do in one form or another and for one reason or another.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Chris

And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. Bible verses available on request.

Guys, we ain't all religious, I had to look that up to see what it meant.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Do you think that I think it's OK that he drove to Barnard Castle, etc.?

I was addressing the matter of pillorying a man for doing stuff that others do in one form or another and for one reason or another.

I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him...

It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.

It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him...

It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.

It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.

I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him

Then read what I wrote properly. I never defended him. I was in "cast the first stone" mode, obviously. Then you concocted a whole load of diatribe as to what you surmised I supported in Cummings' behaviour.

It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.

I refer you to Matthew 7.

It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.

Don't you see that those who are judging him are having a feast?