Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

My issue is the anti-vaxers and covidiots will just spread it to those who are unable to have a jab at the current time.

Pretty much everyone in the most vulnerable categories have had the vaccine, or at least 1 shot.

So why should these people be allowed access to anywhere without being challenged?

because, although it seem some people would be happy to, we don’t live in Nazi occupied France.

I, for one, won't be in any shops before June 21st, if at all.

a choice you are FREE to make. BTW does everything magically become safer on June 22nd?

People seem to forget that any shop has the right to refuse entry to anyone it wants, and you can't do squat, remember the supermarket that banned people wearing dressing gowns

Shop keepers won’t forget people can take their business where they want

[1andrew1]

UK reports 25 new cases of blood clots in recipients of AstraZeneca jab

Health officials have said insufficient evidence to change policy despite restrictions in Europe

The UK has received 30 reports of the rare blood clotting events that some scientists have linked to the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine and have caused precautionary restrictions to be placed on its use in many European countries.

On Thursday, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency released information on 25 cases of severe and very rare blood clotting events, on top of five it had already reported this month.

The MHRA also clarified that it had not seen any of the same reactions in individuals that had received the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine.

Concern has been growing about possible links between the AstraZeneca jab and a very specific and rare type of blood clotting event. The news that a growing number of such cases have been identified in the UK is likely to call into question the view that the phenomenon has purely been observed in mainland Europe.

Reports of similar incidents have caused France, Sweden, Finland, Canada and most recently Germany to recommend that younger people, who are much more likely to be affected by the condition, avoid the shot. In Norway and Denmark, the vaccine is still suspended.

https://www.ft.com/content/2e52a5b0-...b-97bf8edea865

Originally Posted by Pierre

Pretty much everyone in the most vulnerable categories have had the vaccine, or at least 1 shot.


because, although it seem some people would be happy to, we don’t live in Nazi occupied France.


a choice you are FREE to make. BTW does everything magically become safer on June 22nd?


Shop keepers won’t forget people can take their business where they want

Two things that are not the same -

a) checking if someone has had a vaccination that will help keep others safe
b) being arrested for no reason by a foreign occupying power and sent to a concentration camp

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

What if the vaccinated people all have covid but the none vaccinated person in the room is covid free ?

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I think it's probably a good idea to have " I think i'm speshull " tattooed on ones forehead ,then we will all know they have had a jab that may or may not have worked, and for those who have had and survived covid a tattoo saying "lucky"....

Probably about the same odds as you posting something sensible...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Two things that are not the same -

a) checking if someone has had a vaccination that will help keep others safe
b) being arrested for no reason by a foreign occupying power and sent to a concentration camp

oh I don't know, let's look at it from a broader angle . . .

Travel Documents, which needed to be shown in order to access certain places/areas. If you didn't have one you couldn't get in

Originally Posted by Hom3r

My issue is the anti-vaxers and covidiots will just spread it to those who are unable to have a jab at the current time.

Your issue is you are insanely paranoid, we dont live in a Nazi police state.
If you want to hide away, with your tin foil hat, go for it, and leave the sane ones among us to get on with our lives.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

It would be nice but no. If that was the case then having a coronavirus based cold in the past would protect you from COVID which would be great!

There has been proof that HAVING a cold can stop coronaviruses from entering cells, as the common cold is a big bully. And some have proposed that CATCHING a cold whilst a coronavirus is in you can also cause their eviction from cells.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Paul

Your issue is you are insanely paranoid, we dont live in a Nazi police state.
If you want to hide away, with your tin foil hat, go for it, and leave the sane ones among us to get on with our lives.

Certainly not Nazi, but we're not far off a police state when the government allows the police to trample over the right to protest laws.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Pretty much everyone in the most vulnerable categories have had the vaccine, or at least 1 shot.

There are quite a few who are unable to have the jab due to their conditions.

we don’t live in Nazi occupied France.

Many of the French friends are likening Macron's methods with dealing with this crisis as very Napoleonic, but not Nazi.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Taf

There has been proof that HAVING a cold can stop coronaviruses from entering cells, as the common cold is a big bully. And some have proposed that CATCHING a cold whilst a coronavirus is in you can also cause their eviction from cells.

Lucky me, then.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Certainly not Nazi, but we're not far off a police state when the government allows the police to trample over the right to protest laws.

The government are not allowing the police to do anything. They are setting laws that the police must adhere to.

And the government are not trying to stop peaceful protests, but just make them less likely to be hijacked by rent-a-mob and turn violent.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yeah ... repeating the same falsehoods with bold and caps doesn’t make you right.

Plenty was printed in the middle of last year about the crucial differences between influenza and covid and why preparedness for one does not equate to preparedness for both. If I have time later I may dig out a few references.

BOTH are spread by similar methods, mainly in the air, and in similar environments, eg cruise ships, military ships, large indoor gatherings. BOTH require PPE. Almost all of the non-medical specific requirements are the SAME.
Link

Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a new coronavirus (called SARS-CoV-2), and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.

Differences:
While COVID-19 and flu viruses are thought to spread in similar ways, COVID-19 is more contagious among certain populations and age groups than flu. Also, COVID-19 has been observed to have more superspreading events than flu. This means the virus that causes COVID-19 can quickly and easily spread to a lot of people and result in continuous spreading among people as time progresses.

WHO

How are COVID-19 and influenza viruses similar?

Firstly, COVID-19 and influenza viruses have a similar disease presentation. That is, they both cause respiratory disease, which presents as a wide range of illness from asymptomatic or mild through to severe disease and death.

Secondly, both viruses are transmitted by contact, droplets and fomites. As a result, the same public health measures, such as hand hygiene and good respiratory etiquette (coughing into your elbow or into a tissue and immediately disposing of the tissue), are important actions all can take to prevent infection.

A difference.

Children are important drivers of influenza virus transmission in the community. For COVID-19 virus, initial data indicates that children are less affected than adults and that clinical attack rates in the 0-19 age group are low. Further preliminary data from household transmission studies in China suggest that children are infected from adults, rather than vice versa.

CDC and WHO not good enough as sources?

Spanish flu was also more severe in presentation than seasonal flu.
Link

Americans were offered similar advice about how to avoid getting infected. They were advised not to shake hands with others, to stay indoors, to avoid touching library books and to wear masks. Schools and theaters closed, and the New York City Department of Health strictly enforced a Sanitary Code amendment that made spitting in the streets illegal, according to a review published in the journal Public Health Reports.

Sound familiar?
Another familiar situation.

In 2014, a new theory about the origins of the virus suggested that it first emerged in China, National Geographic reported. Previously undiscovered records linked the flu to the transportation of Chinese laborers, the Chinese Labour Corps, across Canada in 1917 and 1918.

The independent report on the preparedness of various countries was for pandemics in general, not just influenza.
If you're saying there are important differences between Covid and flu that couldn't be prepared for, then you're also saying no country in the world could've been prepared, and I doubt you're saying that.

Originally Posted by Carth

oh I don't know, let's look at it from a broader angle . . .

Travel Documents, which needed to be shown in order to access certain places/areas. If you didn't have one you couldn't get in

Again, a very, very, very long way from Kristalnacht, lebensraum, genocide, massacres of civilian and miltary prisoners, nacht und nebel, euthanasia of disabled children - comparing some form of vaccination certificate with those, and worse atrocities, cheapens the death and suffering under the Nazi regime.

It's like comparing having an accident which caused quadraplegia with a splinter in your finger - context and magnitude count...

Originally Posted by Taf

There has been proof that HAVING a cold can stop coronaviruses from entering cells, as the common cold is a big bully. And some have proposed that CATCHING a cold whilst a coronavirus is in you can also cause their eviction from cells.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

Good news - however

Covid would be able to cause an infection again once the cold had passed and the immune response calmed down.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh I don't know, let's look at it from a broader angle . . .

Travel Documents, which needed to be shown in order to access certain places/areas. If you didn't have one you couldn't get in

It's called an "Ausweis".

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's called an "Ausweis".

I'm not German mate . . . and how would you pronounce that in Swahili?

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm not German mate . . . and how would you pronounce that in Swahili?

ID Card - like a Drivers Licence to show you’re old enough to buy a drink...