Britain outside the EU

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Mmm I think I regret the Spanish chucking them out to, what kind of moron votes for something so intrinsically against their best interests?

Perhaps they have the greater good in mind.

[Mr K]

[Admin Edit: You never learn with your pathetic insults and digs. Banned from this discussion indefinitely]

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And Judy Davis, that lives in Redcar gives a ShIt how?

I'm sure she'll be putting on the kettle.

My point is that the government is favouring propping up traditional red wall heavy industries whilst small entrepreneurs are suffering from a bad Brexit deal. It's quite clever as it gives the Labour Party space little space to present an alternative agenda as their policies have been stolen and entrepreneurs are unlikely to flock to the Labour Party. Perhaps time for the Liberal Democrats to reinvent themselves?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Mmm I think I regret the Spanish chucking them out to, what kind of moron votes for something so intrinsically against their best interests?

I'm surprised that after five years they would be chucked out. What basis would Spain fail their applications on. Lack of savings? Spanish language test?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sure she'll be putting on the kettle.

My point is that the government is favouring propping up traditional red wall heavy industries whilst small entrepreneurs are suffering from a bad Brexit deal. It's quite clever as it gives the Labour Party space little space to present an alternative agenda as their policies have been stolen and entrepreneurs are unlikely to flock to the Labour Party. Perhaps time for the Liberal Democrats to reinvent themselves?

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I'm surprised that after five years they would be chucked out. What basis would Spain fail their applications on. Lack of savings? Spanish language test?

Criminality?

[joglynne]

I suspect that some people living over there didn't bother applying in time or just thought it was too much of a bother. There seems to be a fair bit of paperwork to have to get in place and several hoops to jump though so, trying to do it quickly when having to deal with two layers of Spanish bureaucracy, missing a vital step seems a possible reason for their application to be refused. Late application could also result in missing the deadline. and the Spanish Authorities have no reason to treat them leniently especially when they voted to leave the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residenc...ments-in-spain

Just found this article from 2019 which shows the mindset of expats at that time.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...ecision-256841

I am also wondering if other UK-expats living in France/ Portugal and other EU countries could face the same fate.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Criminality?

I suspect their forms would be in perfect order and filled in by expert lawyers.

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Originally Posted by joglynne

I suspect that some people living over there didn't bother applying in time or just thought it was too much of a bother. There seems to be a fair bit of paperwork to have to get in place and several hoops to jump though so, trying to do it quickly when having to deal with two layers of Spanish bureaucracy, missing a vital step seems a possible reason for their application to be refused. Late application could also result in missing the deadline. and the Spanish Authorities have no reason to treat them leniently especially when they voted to leave the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residenc...ments-in-spain

Just found this article from 2019 which shows the mindset of expats at that time.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...ecision-256841

I am also wondering if other UK-expats living in France/ Portugal and other EU countries could face the same fate.

I suspect those living in France are more used to bureaucracy and form-filling than those in Spain and hance are better prepared.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They claim they applied but were rejected.

When did they apply?

Was it when they were legally supposed to do so, or when they learnt they may be chucked out for not applying when they should have, and therefore being an 'illegal immigrant'

*please answer using a back dated letter folded around a €100 note*

Originally Posted by joglynne

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-boris-johnson

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1375857260862320651

the source for the interview with the "leave voter kicked out of spain" called Shaun Cromber is a "news site" called global247news(.)com which was registered in June 2020 to an owner (redacted) in Kidderminster.

Unless someone can actually find Mr. Cromber, I'd suggest a *lot* of people have been had, including a lot of journos.
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It's a WordPress bloggy site dressed up to look like something genuine.

Because of course it is.

The webmaster is in Benidorm, but the registrant is in Kidderminster.

If it's a Spanish site, why isn't it registered in Spain, and if it's English, why is the webmaster in Benidorm?

all the other papers/media are taking their story from this site - also, it’s run on a free theme (newsup) on Wordpress - not many (if any) legitimate news organisations would be doing this.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm surprised that after five years they would be chucked out. What basis would Spain fail their applications on. Lack of savings? Spanish language test?

https://archive.ph/GTWfA

Thousands more face becoming illegal aliens in Spain on Thursday. Many have been living under the radar to avoid paying taxes, Anne Hernández, the president of Brexpats, which advises Britons in Spain on how to navigate the bureaucracy Brexit has created, said.
“Now it’s suddenly, ‘Oh, what am I going to do? I may become an illegal immigrant,’ ” she said. “The scariest thing is they think they’re going to do them for taxes. It’s come back to bite them.”

Others have simply been stumped by the bureaucracy. Spain chose the simpler form of withdrawal agreement, the declaratory system, which in theory reduced the bureaucratic load compared with other EU countries. But paperwork that is needed includes a copy of every page of a passport, a work contract, private health insurance and title deeds or a rental contract.

Britons also have to sit a driving test in Spanish if they did not swap their licence last year. That has been compounded by inconsistencies in the interpretation of the rules. “We have 17 autonomous regions in Spain and each one can interpret the rules differently,” Hernández said. “When you’re dealing with British who might not speak the language, they might be elderly, they get very confused and walk away totally upset thinking, ‘that’s it I’ve got to leave Spain’.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm surprised that after five years they would be chucked out. What basis would Spain fail their applications on. Lack of savings? Spanish language test?

Spain, like a lot of EU countries requires registration of EU citizens under freedom of movement rules after 90 days. At this point they have to show that they are either working, reasonably expected to get work or be self supporting. If none of these apply, you're out. I had to do this when I worked in an EU country for 4 months.

The UK never used these rules even though we could have.

The UK immigrants who are being thrown out because they didn't register so there's no evidence that they were resident in Spain before we left.

Sounds like a lot of Cockney bad boys have been trying to keep their heads down on the Costa Del Crime, and now it’s backfired.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sounds like a lot of Cockney bad boys have been trying to keep their heads down on the Costa Del Crime, and now it’s backfired.

Indeed, I'm sure their first thoughts were to go bleating to the British press to highlight their circumstances.

It certainly couldn't be law abiding expat individuals who failed to either

a) Understand some of the components of Brexit and thought life would continue as normal.
b) Understood the required components but then failed to ensure they would meet the required conditions to allow stay.

Perhaps if they flew a Union flag over their house it might help their odds

Oh well, hope they enjoy the weather back in Blighty

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Indeed, I'm sure their first thoughts were to go bleating to the British press to highlight their circumstances.

It certainly couldn't be law abiding expat individuals who failed to either

a) Understand some of the components of Brexit and thought life would continue as normal.
b) Understood the required components but then failed to ensure they would meet the required conditions to allow stay.

Perhaps if they flew a Union flag over their house it might help their odds

Oh well, hope they enjoy the weather back in Blighty

I'm pretty sure the Spanish authorities didn't arrive at the figure of 500 British citizens by counting the number of people complaining to the Daily Mirror.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm pretty sure the Spanish authorities didn't arrive at the figure of 500 British citizens by counting the number of people complaining to the Daily Mirror.

So, we can expect these 500 crims to be arrested upon arrival back in Britain. Excellent. I'll look forward to the new reports on it.

[Sephiroth]

Surely "crims" would not advertise themselves for identification and a marker for arrest.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Surely "crims" would not advertise themselves for identification and a marker for arrest.

Their passport being highlighted by Border Force might do that...