UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[Dave42]

Brexit deal done: Trade agreement finally struck between UK and EU


https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-de...nd-eu-12149904

happy there is a deal

[nomadking]

Link

Here is the government's statement: "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal."
"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters
"The deal is fantastic news for families and businesses in every part of the UK.
"We have signed the first free trade agreement based on zero tariffs and zero quotas that has ever been achieved with the EU.
"The deal is the biggest bilateral trade deal signed by either side, covering trade worth £668bn in 2019.
"The deal also guarantees that we are no longer in the lunar pull of the EU, we are not bound by EU rules, there is no role for the European Court of Justice and all of our key red lines about returning sovereignty have been achieved.
"It means that we will have full political and economic independence on 1st January 2021."

Sounds too good to be true.
You have to ask what were the EU doing by kicking up a fuss all this time.

See what independent analysis makes of the deal. Both the UK and EU will claim victory. So long as both assume it is then all the better.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

+1

So far the EU are claiming they have good access to British waters until 2026 and then 'strong incentives' for that to continue as well as assurances over the level playing field. The U.K are saying all red lines are met.

[nomadking]

From the EU press conference, you can see what the problem has been. The EU has it's own dictionary which is different from the rest of the World. The word "sovereignty" for them, has pretty much the opposite meaning, to the rest of the planet.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Damien

+2

Originally Posted by nomadking

From the EU press conference, you can see what the problem has been. The EU has it's own dictionary which is different from the rest of the World.

It's called French.

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U.K won't be part of the Erasmus programme

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Damien

See what independent analysis makes of the deal. Both the UK and EU will claim victory.So long as both assume it is then all the better.

Exactly.

The pundits were saying that the wrong sort of deal would annoy both remainers and brexiters, the devil will be in the detail.

Originally Posted by Damien

See what independent analysis makes of the deal. Both the UK and EU will claim victory. So long as both assume it is then all the better.

BBC Reality Check notes that French and Dutch media are being briefed that the UK made major concessions. Considering the stake those countries have in keeping their fishermen in line (especially that Dutch super-trawler that owns something like 20% of England’s quota all by itself) this is unsurprising. I don’t doubt however that the usual suspects will be on here in short order, regurgitating French and Dutch government spin as if it’s the unvarnished truth.

While details are hard to come by at the moment, it seems there is a 5.5 year transition period over fishing quota clawback (the EU had wanted 10). It seems also that the deal acknowledges UK sovereignty in its own EEZ but is based on it being very unlikely that the UK would take sudden measures to exercise it against legally operating trawlers from EU states. For more than that we will just have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

From the EU press conference, you can see what the problem has been. The EU has it's own dictionary which is different from the rest of the World. The word "sovereignty" for them, has pretty much the opposite meaning, to the rest of the planet.

It’s positively Orwellian, the way the EU tries to redefine such fundamental concepts so as to make objection to their programme difficult to articulate. Von Der Leyen has just made a speech in which she conveniently aligns whatever the EU chooses to do with a concept she calls sovereignty but which has little if anything to do with the dictionary definition of the term.

Originally Posted by Chris

BBC Reality Check notes that French and Dutch media are being briefed that the UK made major concessions. Considering the stake those countries have in keeping their fishermen in line (especially that Dutch super-trawler that owns something like 20% of England’s quota all by itself) this is unsurprising. I don’t doubt however that the usual suspects will be on here in short order, regurgitating French and Dutch government spin as if it’s the unvarnished truth.

While details are hard to come by at the moment, it seems there is a 5.5 year transition period over fishing quota clawback (the EU had wanted 10). It seems also that the deal acknowledges UK sovereignty in its own EEZ but is based on it being very unlikely that the UK would take sudden measures to exercise it against legally operating trawlers from EU states. For more than that we will just have to wait and see.

It seems like both sides will be happy with that. U.K gets its sovereignty and eventual right to change the rules but the EU gets to access the waters/fish with some degree of assurance and security.

If the French are happy and the U.K is happy then sounds like the two sides did well.

BoJo: no role for the ECJ.

Exactly as it should be. For the EU to expect its own court to adjudicate disputes between itself and the UK was ludicrous.

Looks like there will be a new arbitration body?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Damien

]U.K won't be part of the Erasmus programme

That bit is a real shame to be honest. Erasmus is or was a great thing.