UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal - Page 351

Sephiroth · 23-12-2020, 23:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, it will not be a shade close to what we have now. No more free movement, no more EU laws, no more stolen fish, etc, etc.

It’s all good. Just as the electorate ordered.

Wakey wakey, OB.

Looks like your prediction of months ago is about to be fulfilled.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You would think so, especially if all 27 sovereign EU nations have to approve it too.

Fun, fun, fun - still to be had.

1andrew1 · 23-12-2020, 23:58

Talk that the UK was trying to bounce the EU into a deal today.

Before a deal is agreed, a briefing to the EU Ambassadors would take place. So far, this is not happening tomorrow let alone today! So, no deal yet this side of Christmas as things stand.

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Tony Connelly (RTE Europe Editor)
Breaking: a meeting of EU ambassadors (Coreper) has been convened for tomorrow morning, to be briefed on Brexit negotiations, source

Sebastian Fischer, COREPER II Spokesperson for Germany's Presidency of the Council of the EU Tweeted in response:

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Dear Tony,
the EU Council Presidency would have to convene a meeting of EU Ambassadors (COREPER) And we haven’t done so. Your source is wrong. #Brexit
Best,
Sebastian

https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/stat...98424455372803

**Mick** · 23-12-2020, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Damien

Certainly better than a no-deal as well. Question is, given it's unlikely any agreement can be filled implemented by the 1st, does the transitional period extend into the new year for a few days/weeks until the agreement is fully in place?

No it doesn’t. EU have made any deal provisional from January 01, 2021 to be ratified by both sides at a later date, hence why the European Parliaments deadline to ratify one was sidestepped.

pip08456 · 24-12-2020, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Mick

No it doesn’t. EU have made any deal provisional from January 01, 2021 to be ratified by both sides at a later date, hence why the European Parliaments deadline to ratify one was sidestepped.

AKA status quo (sort of) until ratified by both UK and EU parliaments.

Carth · 24-12-2020, 01:13

Status Quo - What You're Proposing?

heero_yuy · 24-12-2020, 07:48

I'll reserve judgement until I've seen what concessions have been made.

1andrew1 · 24-12-2020, 08:33

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Sir kwer charmer will abstain

He'll soon need to get all those splinters out of his arse cheeks.

Kate McCann at Sky News says Labour will vote in favour of it.

RichardCoulter · 24-12-2020, 08:40

I got up at about 7am and put the TV on to see what's going on in the world. The BBC are expecting someone to come out of no 10 to report on the Brexit deal. They saw movement, shot back to Downing St to cover it and.........it was a fox sniffing round the door!!!

Since then they have carried on saying that an announcement is imminent, but now a source has tweeted that it could be a while. Not quite as done and dusted as was first thought...

papa smurf · 24-12-2020, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Carth

Status Quo - What You're Proposing?

or
Down the dustpipe.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I got up at about 7am and put the TV on to see what's going on in the world. The BBC are expecting someone to come out of no 10 to report on the Brexit deal. They saw movement, shot back to Downing St to cover it and.........it was a fox sniffing round the door!!!

Since then they have carried on saying that an announcement is imminent, but now a source has tweeted that it could be a while. Not quite as done and dusted as was first thought...

Was it Liam fox

Mr K · 24-12-2020, 09:09

No deal would have have been madness, and never an option. Welcome to reality Brexiteers. It'll be nowhere near as good as the one we had in the EU, but not the no deal catastrophe. We've only decided to cut one of our legs off, not both, very sensible too !

Wonder how he's going to sell it to the ERG, a few new years honours? He made a massive Tory donor a Lord last week, ignoring all advice not to, so these things are on offer.

1andrew1 · 24-12-2020, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Mr K

No deal would have have been madness, and never an option. Welcome to reality Brexiteers. It'll be nowhere near as good as the one we had in the EU, but not the no deal catastrophe. We've only decided to cut one of our legs off, not both, very sensible too !

Wonder how he's going to sell it to the ERG, a few new years honours? He made a massive Tory donor a Lord last week, ignoring all advice not to, so these things are on offer.

Spot on. Show loyalty, vote for the deal ERG and I will likely reward you with a seat in the Lords. But it doesn't matter to me too much as Sir Keir will support it anyway. Your call.

**Mick** · 24-12-2020, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Mr K

No deal would have have been madness, and never an option. Welcome to reality Brexiteers. It'll be nowhere near as good as the one we had in the EU, but not the no deal catastrophe. We've only decided to cut one of our legs off, not both, very sensible too !

Wonder how he's going to sell it to the ERG, a few new years honours? He made a massive Tory donor a Lord last week, ignoring all advice not to, so these things are on offer.

Are you delirious?

The membership cost of being in a con job union, billions per year saved being out whilst maintaining a zero tariff trade agreement with our neighbours, whilst also notching up trade agreements with rest of the world, without pesky EU bureaucracy. Being in their union is not better at all.

**Chris** · 24-12-2020, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Mr K

No deal would have have been madness, and never an option. Welcome to reality Brexiteers. It'll be nowhere near as good as the one we had in the EU, but not the no deal catastrophe. We've only decided to cut one of our legs off, not both, very sensible too !

Wonder how he's going to sell it to the ERG, a few new years honours? He made a massive Tory donor a Lord last week, ignoring all advice not to, so these things are on offer.

No Deal would have been an acceptable bargaining tactic towards a deal, had none been done by 31 December. The EU has had philosophical difficulties with this process; (unsurprising, as we thoroughly upended their ever-closer union narrative by leaving) it might have been necessary for them to see us walk before they were ready to accept the concept of the national sovereignty of a third party. Had it happened, a deal would have been done some time in 2021. No Deal as an end in itself was only ever the wet dream of a very few. You really ought to put the Grauniad down and get out a bit more.

Within the EU we had no deal at all. Brexiteers have repeatedly asserted that the price of access to the single market was too high. We now have freedom to manoeuvre, we’re not paying billions to build dual carriageways in Spain and Bulgaria, and about half a million people in this country were vaccinated against a pandemic disease while the 27 member states of the EU sat around prioritising solidarity over saving lives. I know which side of the fence I’d rather be on.

papa smurf · 24-12-2020, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Chris

No Deal would have been an acceptable bargaining tactic towards a deal, had none been done by 31 December. The EU has had philosophical difficulties with this process; (unsurprising, as we thoroughly upended their ever-closer union narrative by leaving) it might have been necessary for them to see us walk before they were ready to accept the concept of the national sovereignty of a third party. Had it happened, a deal would have been done some time in 2021. No Deal as an end in itself was only ever the wet dream of a very few. You really ought to put the Grauniad down and get out a bit more.

I disagree, he should remain locked away.

Sephiroth · 24-12-2020, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Chris

No Deal would have been an acceptable bargaining tactic towards a deal, had none been done by 31 December. The EU has had philosophical difficulties with this process; (unsurprising, as we thoroughly upended their ever-closer union narrative by leaving) it might have been necessary for them to see us walk before they were ready to accept the concept of the national sovereignty of a third party. Had it happened, a deal would have been done some time in 2021. No Deal as an end in itself was only ever the wet dream of a very few. You really ought to put the Grauniad down and get out a bit more.

Within the EU we had no deal at all. Brexiteers have repeatedly asserted that the price of access to the single market was too high. We now have freedom to manoeuvre, we’re not paying billions to build dual carriageways in Spain and Bulgaria, and about half a million people in this country were vaccinated against a pandemic disease while the 27 member states of the EU sat around prioritising solidarity over saving lives. I know which side of the fence I’d rather be on.

Perfectly put.