Coronavirus

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by downquark1

It is perfectly plausible there is a new strain. What is unusual is to know the R number so early. As I said before viruses do not come with R values written on them.

Most likely this is some estimation that actually came with a wide error bar that Boris has chosen not to share with us.

Did Boris also create it in Brazil in the Spring? (If the Telegraph story is to be believed)

[nomadking]

New coronavirus variant: What do we know?

Why is this variant causing concern?
Three things are coming together that mean it is attracting attention:

• It is rapidly replacing other versions of the virus
• It has mutations that affect part of the virus likely to be important
• Some of those mutations have already been shown in the lab to increase the ability of the virus to infect cells

All of these come together to build a case for a virus that can spread more easily.

The other mutation - a H69/V70 deletion, in which a small part of the spike is removed - has emerged several times before, including famously in infected mink.
Work by Prof Ravi Gupta at the University of Cambridge has suggested this mutation increases infectivity two-fold in lab experiments.

Has this happened before?
Yes.
The virus that was first detected in Wuhan, China, is not the same one you will find in most corners of the world.
The D614G mutation emerged in Europe in February and became the globally dominant form of the virus.
Another, called A222V, spread across Europe and was linked to people's summer holidays in Spain.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by downquark1

It is perfectly plausible there is a new strain. What is unusual is to know the R number so early. As I said before viruses do not come with R values written on them.

Most likely this is some estimation that actually came with a wide error bar that Boris has chosen not to share with us.

It does have a range and it's in the published paper. It is, obviously, to some extent based on an limited data.

These things don't, in and of themselves, mean that the best estimate isn't the best estimate available now or that decisions based upon them are not correct. There's no lab conditions where both viruses are spread identically for a comparison.

Once again this is some distance from the Illuminati.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by jfman

It does have a range and it's in the published paper. It is, obviously, to some extent based on an limited data.

These things don't, in and of themselves, mean that the best estimate isn't the best estimate available now or that decisions based upon them are not correct. There's no lab conditions where both viruses are spread identically for a comparison.

Once again this is some distance from the Illuminati.

If you want to look up that theory. It is the world economic forum not the illuminati. And it stems from papers they wrote saying they will use the next pandemic as a time to implement new economic models.

Links?

Did you mean this?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...-the-pandemic/

we invited participants to share their ideas on sparking positive change as the world recovers from COVID-19.

What is the biggest opportunity you see for positive change in the post-pandemic world? And what is your best piece of advice for how to make change happen?

Asking for "positive ideas" is a huge difference from "using the pandemic as a time to implement new economic models"...

They have some really evil ideas there, such as

Target illicit profits to fight financial crime
Strengthen primary healthcare
Universal Basic Housing for all
Protect ourselves from future pandemics
A local, sustainable and fair food system

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Links?

Did you mean this?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...-the-pandemic/



Asking for "positive ideas" is a huge difference from "using the pandemic as a time to implement new economic models"...

https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/pr...link-sausages/

Fill your face, Hugh.....

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Links?

Did you mean this?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...-the-pandemic/



Asking for "positive ideas" is a huge difference from "using the pandemic as a time to implement new economic models"...

Yes. although claims vary. Sometimes they claim they want to phase out private property or develop mind reading technology. The question is if these people hold any real influence or are just mindless yuppie marketers.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/pr...link-sausages/

Fill your face, Hugh.....

Banter alert tho - calm down.

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Originally Posted by downquark1

Yes. although claims vary. Sometimes they claim they want to phase out private property or develop mind reading technology. The question is if these people hold any real influence or are just mindless yuppie marketers.

Why would those who make the most money from private property (and debt) want to eliminate it altogether?

While I'm sure some would like to see the return of everything to state ownership it's not there guys.

[RichardCoulter]

Just been on the BBC News that the PM is to have another news briefing to update us "later on this afternoon".

They also said that there are problems getting covid information out to some people in Bradford because about 15% of it's population doesn't speak English. Maybe this is one of the reasons why it's affecting the BAME community more??

[downquark1]

While I'm sure some would like to see the return of everything to state ownership it's not there guys.

we have never had everything under state ownership. And I don't mean housing. I mean everything down to your spoons will be rented from someone.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Just been on the BBC News that the PM is to have another news briefing to update us "later on this afternoon".

They also said that there are problems getting covid information out to some people in Bradford because about 15% of it's population doesn't speak English. Maybe this is one of the reasons why it's affecting the BAME community more??

Why don't you suggest to the UK government that they make information available in a multitude of languages?

Oh, wait......

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Why don't you suggest to the UK government that they make information available in a multitude of languages?

Oh, wait......

Might be an even better idea if people learned English before they got here.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Might be an even better idea if people learned English before they got here.

Hi Tommy !!!!!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by downquark1

we have never had everything under state ownership. And I don't mean housing. I mean everything down to your spoons will be rented from someone.

That's good because I have a box of cutlery with a 25 year warranty in the cupboard. I'm sorted.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by jfman

That's good because I have a box of cutlery with a 25 year warranty in the cupboard. I'm sorted.

And your children?